Posted on 11/11/2016 4:43:44 AM PST by IBD editorial writer
Stories have been popping in the wake of the 2016 election claiming that Donald Trump not only got fewer popular votes than Hillary Clinton, but he got fewer votes than Mitt Romney did in 2012 when he lost to Barack Obama. The combination seems to undermine Trump's claim to anything like a mandate.
"Donald Trump will become president although he received about 1.74 million fewer votes than 2012 Republican nominee Mitt Romney," wrote Kyle Feldscher in the Washington Examiner.
Never-Trumper Ben Shapiro, writing in National Review, claimed that "Trump underperformed Romney ... in a vastly expanded electorate. That's not the mark of a huge wave."
Some reporters are making the same claim about Hillary Clinton. The Washington Post's Philip Bump wrote that "Hillary Clinton's campaign was crippled by voters who stayed home," and that she "received far fewer votes than Barack Obama in an election that was supposed to see a big increase in turnout."
The problem is, all these stories are wrong.
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As of this morning CNN was showing both over 60M, but still a lot of votes to count, but not enough in any individual state to change the result.
I don't think that is going to result in another 900,000 votes against Trump.
“...it would have been an election on topics only and a totally different race.”
The emails were a vital topic, and Trump won on the topics (issues).
Voter turnout this year was lower than in 2012 and far below predictions.
The total 2016 vote was in the low 120 million range, far off from the record 140 million many predicted.
The 2016 democrat vote was down about 5 million from 2012.
The Republican vote count was only down about 700,000 from 2012.
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2012 Vote
Obama - 65,455,010
Romney - 60,771,703
2016 Vote
Clinton - 60,467,245
Trump - 60,071,650
The 2016 vote count is not finalized and certified yet.
Sources:
2012 Vote Counts:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/main/
2016 Vote Counts:
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president
If you read the articles dummy it says no. There are still nearly 10 million votes not counted and Trump will probably end up with 63-4million and Clinton 65-6 million - close to Obamas number.
Republicans trying to deligitimize Trumps win are pukes.
He ran a strategic rust belt strategy and won big league. More EVs than Bush in 2000 or 2004.
Plus ran against his own party establishment, got almost no help from Super PACs (croosroads, Koch, Chambet) unlike McCain or Romney. Cripes Romneybot McMullin will end up with around 600k. Those were stolen by Romney. And now you all want to brag about Romney?
Screw you all trying to rain on a great historic win by Trump and those who supported him.
Agree. Kelly Ayotte sank her own ship by hanging with Linda and McLame ...
10 million votes not counted? Where are you getting that??
From the NYT =>
We think about 3,678,000 votes remain to be counted. We think Hillary Clinton leads in that vote by about 29.1 points,
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president/california
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So if Trump gets 35% of that, it adds 1,280,730 to his total.
Yep. I wrote in Mike Pence. My wife left her blank. Her anti Trump campaign sank both her and Trump in NH. If she simply ran like a Toomey and shut up she would have easily won.
That was for California, not the entire US.
I’m, in the story. Did you read it?
“..doing a little math, that means that roughly 9.5 million votes are still outstanding”
Early voting, in person and absentee-mail in account for upwards of 50% of total votes.
Are you saying they don’t count them? They will published totals showing winners in various
categories. The finalized count is still ongoing in some areas.
So, Trump loses total popular vote by about a million?
Maybe janitor?
Ben Shapiro is an idiot. There were more conservatives willing to vote for Romney than there were neverTrumpers willing to vote for Trump. Besides, Fox News was anti-Trump, and a lot of people get their news from Fox who are on the right. Romney also spent more money than Trump.
Read the article. There are still about 8 million more votes to count. By that time, Trump will have exceeded Romney handily.
“So what difference does it make now?”
So, Trump loses total popular vote by about a million?I doubt it. Should be pretty close.
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