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Ford will ask Trump to cut fuel-economy rules, CEO says; 'no demand' for hybrid, electric cars
Green Car Reports ^ | Dec 5, 2016 | Stephen Edelstein

Posted on 12/05/2016 8:48:34 AM PST by GonzoII

Last week, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency ruled that existing emissions limits for passenger cars for 2022 through 2025 should remain in place.

It's a decision that is already opposed by lobbyists representing the auto industry, and possibly by the incoming Trump Administration.

Sure enough, one automaker says it has already begun talks with President-elect Donald Trump that include a request for lower emissions targets.

(Excerpt) Read more at greencarreports.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: automakers; electriccars; epa; ford; fordmotor; fueleconomy; hybrid; regulations; trump; trumpagenda; trumptransition
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To: TexasRepublic
The alcohol ruins carburetors

What is a carburetor?

101 posted on 12/05/2016 12:56:23 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: ConservativeMind
I like the Ford Fusion Hybrid, I will say.

They are nice cars. Ford had a few stumbles when they first came out with the "Energi" plug-in hybrid version, but they were resolved in the first model year. I've heard of people taking it further and modifying the plug in for power out, so they have a generator of sorts for emergencies.

They're actually pretty affordable as used low mile lease turn-ins. Not much more than a standard Fusion. I don't get the immediate hostility to these cars from so many on here. There are benefits to owning one, I don't give a hoot about "green." Low operating cost, close to thirty miles or so daily with no gas used whatsoever, far cheaper running on electricity. It's a good fit for a lot of people. They're just too expensive currently without subsidy. Not too expensive used as I said, though.

102 posted on 12/05/2016 12:56:33 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
You may be seeing "surface charge" which is different from having been trickle charged or constantly charged over a longer time period (like a road trip).

No, it's the actual battery charge. When it gets to full charge, the charging system stops, and the regenerative braking is replaced with traditional disc brakes.

Like you said, storage cells can't instantly accept all that charge, or you could pull into a charging station and then leave in a few minutes...just like a fill-up.

Don't forget that a hybrid's battery is relatively small. It doesn't have the capacity of a fully electric car. For example:

The 2015 Toyota Prius plugin has a 4.4kWh battery, good for 11 miles in electric mode. It's doubled in capacity in 2017.

In contrast, the third-generation Prius (not plug-in) has a battery that is only 1.3kWh - about 1/3rd the capacity. So, if it could be locked into EV mode, it could only be driven a few miles.

My concept there (and it may already be in use, or under development) is to build a "battery" which is a combination of EV-cells (for durable charge) and a bunch of Megacapacitors (for instant charging) and probably some diodes to control current flow.

I'm actually surprised we haven't seen the use of ultra-capacitors in a hybrid, yet. Perhaps there is a safety issue with shorting them in a crash, although LiIon batteries have the same problem.

103 posted on 12/05/2016 1:11:50 PM PST by justlurking (#TurnOffCNN)
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To: justlurking
Perhaps there is a safety issue with shorting them in a crash

Yeah, between the caps, the hydrogen and any aluminum, the spectacle could look like the engineering section on the Starship Enterprise when they have a power surge in the flux capacitors.

104 posted on 12/05/2016 1:19:32 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Ha! There were no flux capacitors on the Enterprise. Dilithium Crystals were the source of power, allowing the controlled meeting of matter and anti-matter.


105 posted on 12/05/2016 1:22:26 PM PST by meyer (There is no political solution to this troubling evolution...)
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To: meyer
Ha! There were no flux capacitors on the Enterprise. Dilithium Crystals were the source of power, allowing the controlled meeting of matter and anti-matter.

Oh come on. EVERYBODY knows:

"A flux capacitor was a component associated with the flux capacitance of a starship's warp matrix."

What do you want to do...blow out the plasma conduits?

>>After telling Dr. Bashir he was leaving Deep Space 9 to teach at the Academy in 2375, Miles O'Brien jokingly claimed it was because "somebody has to teach you officers the difference between a warp matrix flux capacitor and a self-sealing stem bolt. <<

106 posted on 12/05/2016 1:39:38 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
A flux capacitor was a component associated with the flux capacitance of a starship's warp matrix.

And I thought you were mixing up "Star Trek" and "Back to the Future".

Or, did Doc Brown invent the flux capacitor and Zephram Cochrane found a new use for it?

107 posted on 12/05/2016 1:50:50 PM PST by justlurking (#TurnOffCNN)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

:)

Beam me up, Scottie! :)


108 posted on 12/05/2016 1:56:34 PM PST by meyer (There is no political solution to this troubling evolution...)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Truck frame minivans (Astro, etc) not close enough? You can put a couple of drywall panels while having enough room for supplies and a helper.

Yes, I’m aware of those huge wagons, but the 70s era ones were a bit before my time.


109 posted on 12/05/2016 3:11:18 PM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: Ben Hecks

It took them soon enough (2017 MY). I thought they wouldn’t get past concept.


110 posted on 12/05/2016 3:21:00 PM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: CapnJack

If Ford still made the E series vans, that’s where you would see that V8 - in place of the V10. That, and the maintenance & fuel requirements sour me on forced air.

Realism, cost, and maintenance issues aside, what would it take for one of those to be put on a ‘67 Mustang? Depending on what Ford has in that capacity, the power to weight ratio would make that all kinds of fun.


111 posted on 12/05/2016 3:33:15 PM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: spintreebob

Maybe if the cars are made in America—and not MEXICO!


112 posted on 12/05/2016 3:45:05 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: BwanaNdege

LOL ... okay then it “grabs” me as a “fake car” using “fake (not internally generated) power, hence the reliance on “fake engines” - AKA motors.

Back atchya! ;)


113 posted on 12/05/2016 4:57:46 PM PST by zencycler
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To: JediJones

>Trade deficits have nothing whatsoever to do with tariffs. Trade deficits are meaningless, a fake “problem.” They are not a problem in any way, shape or form. If a consumer wants to buy a product from overseas, that is their right and their choice. The only problem would come from restricting and punishing that choice with a tariff.

More free trader bullcrap that’s been wrong for the last 30 years. At what point do free traders take a look at the results of their deluded ideology and realize the truth?


114 posted on 12/05/2016 5:08:00 PM PST by RedWulf (Trump:Front Lines. Obama: Back Nine. Hillary:Nap Time.)
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To: TheTimeOfMan

“I’m not in favor of getting rid of the EPA completely...”

Every EPA Nazi should be arrested for sedition, dragged into the street and hanged from a lamppost.


115 posted on 12/05/2016 5:08:51 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: zencycler

http://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/pressreleases/pag/?pool=international-de&id=2010-02-11

“In this case, electrical front axle drive with two electric motors developing 60 kW each supplements the 480-bhp four-litre flat-six at the rear of the 911 GT3 R Hybrid. A further significant point is that instead of the usual batteries in a hybrid road car, an electrical flywheel power generator fitted in the interior next to the driver delivers energy to the electric motors.

The flywheel generator itself is an electric motor with its rotor spinning at speeds of up to 40,000 rpm, storing energy mechanically as rotation energy. The flywheel generator is charged whenever the driver applies the brakes, with the two electric motors reversing their function on the front axle and acting themselves as generators. Then, whenever necessary, that is when accelerating out of a bend or when overtaking, the driver is able to call up extra energy from the charged flywheel generator, the flywheel being slowed down electromagnetically in the generator mode and thus supplying up to 120 kW to the two electric motors at the front from its kinetic energy. This additional power is available to the driver after each charge process for approximately 6 - 8 seconds.”

All power is generated by the gasoline burned in the 480-bhp four-litre flat-six. However, on braking, instead of all the kinetic energy being converted to waste heat by the brake pads & rotors, most of it is converted to flywheel kinetic energy by the from wheel motor/generators.

“LOL ... okay then it “grabs” me as a “fake car” using “fake (not internally generated) power, hence the reliance on “fake engines” - AKA motors.

Back atchya! ;)”

LOL Tag, you’re it! :-)


116 posted on 12/05/2016 5:38:59 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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To: GonzoII
Help is on the way.....

Depends on who you are. If you're a Dem it's more like:

'Hell is on it's way, and Donald too'.

117 posted on 12/05/2016 6:04:36 PM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: JediJones

I try to be free market - if it works - which it usually but not always does.

For example - completely unregulated financial markets repeatedly and consistently lead to Ponzi schemes. Some level of simple, common sense, regulation just works better.

No I am not interested in letting the market decide that cars do not need any kind of pollution controls. I lived in LA in the 70’s.

Trade deficits mean everything. They are a permanent transfer of wealth from one nation to another and over time they will impoverish a nation. This has happened consistently throughout history. They are not the only factor in an economy of course - but extremely important over the long run. The only people who think they are a fake problem are the same people who think fiat currency is a great idea.

Tariffs, used properly, can balance trade between countries and eliminate that wealth transfer.

I’m not interested in shifting wealth from the US to China any longer and in the process forcing our lower skilled workers to compete with Chinese wages. They cannot - so manufacturing moves. And our workers go on welfare.

It’s great for China, and kudos to them for playing us so well, but it is not good for us.

It is long term vs. short term. Cheap crap now at the cost of EVERYTHING if we keep this up. Libtards always think short term. Sorry but I agree with Trump on this issue and have held this position for decades.

I used to work for Uncle Sam overseas and saw first hand how all of our good trading partners raped us daily with the games they play. The only way to balance that out is the imposition of incremental tariffs until it is an even field. Paper agreements do not work.


118 posted on 12/05/2016 8:40:23 PM PST by TheTimeOfMan (A time for peace and a time for war)
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To: BwanaNdege

So???

“The flywheel generator itself is an electric motor” ...

... emphasis again on the word “motor” because again, in this case, no internally generated power is being supplied, as the flywheel generator relies upon the inertia of the moving car as a power source - so again the “real” power gets supplied by the “real” engine, as compared to the fake power that comes from the fake engine - AKA motor.

Now if only they could make a flywheel generator that could use back-and-forth internet BS as a power source, than maybe I’d have to relent, as that would not then ultimately trace back to either a combustion engine or to fossil-fuel provided electricity.

Oh, and TAG again!


119 posted on 12/05/2016 11:08:26 PM PST by zencycler
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

“I miss my wagon.”

When my old truck was about to pass on I was looking for a truck that was more like the station wagons of my youth. I wanted an 8-foot bed and two rows of seats, but not a huge truck that would be difficult in the city.

Then I saw the car magazine at the dentist’s office of the new Chevy Avalanche that was to be coming out in 2001. I was stunned - that’s it! That’s what I need!

Still have it. Of course Chevy dropped it in order to meet these stupid mpg requirements. I guess I’ll keep this one until it dies, and hope that I can still buy another used one. Or - maybe they will bring them back if the requirements get dropped.


120 posted on 12/05/2016 11:25:06 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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