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Final wind-turbine rule permits thousands of eagle deaths
SFGate.com ^ | 12//14/16 | Matthew Daly - AP

Posted on 12/14/2016 11:51:46 AM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration on Wednesday finalized a rule that lets wind-energy companies operate high-speed turbines for up to 30 years — even if means killing or injuring thousands of federally protected bald and golden eagles.

Under the new rule, wind companies and other power providers will not face a penalty if they kill or injure up to 4,200 bald eagles, nearly four times the current limit. Deaths of the more rare golden eagles would be allowed without penalty so long as companies minimize losses by taking steps such as retrofitting power poles to reduce the risk of electrocution.

The new rule will conserve eagles while also spurring development of a pollution-free energy source intended to ease global warming, a cornerstone of President Barack Obama's energy plan, said Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dan Ashe.

"No animal says America like the bald eagle," Ashe said in a statement. He said the Fish and Wildlife Service is trying to balance energy development with eagle conservation.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: agw; baldeagle; baldeagles; deaths; eagle; eagles; fish; globalwarming; goldeneagle; goldeneagles; permits; wildlife; windturbine
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To: Osage Orange

I don’t agree with the FedGov subsidized jobs aspect of this, but we were talking about view right of way, so I addressed that point.

I don’t agree with giving a sign off on the Eagle deaths either. Eagles aren’t the only birds being killed off by each unit. It’s disgusting what takes place in one of those windmill farms.

Your description of temp jobs and long term jobs sound about right. And if all else was okay, I wouldn’t object. There are some real problems here though, and you did touch on them.

The loopholes for these companies vs other companies are unacceptable.


101 posted on 12/14/2016 4:39:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (jcon40, "Are we be coming into the age of Sanity?")
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To: Osage Orange

BTW: I believe there are some precedents too.

I’m not sure I’d want to prevail in that manner though.

We may not like infringements, but infringements are a nasty reality of life.

Thanks for the discussion.


102 posted on 12/14/2016 4:41:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (jcon40, "Are we be coming into the age of Sanity?")
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To: NormsRevenge

So Dan’s making an “Ashe” out of himself again?

The eagles are not impressed with his stupidity but this is typical of SOME in the F&WL Service. Look at the fiasco about ground hogs or gophers or turtles and cattle safety on public grazing lands in their clash with the rancher family out west. Got their information all wrong about any real threat to wildlife.

Now they want to allow Eagle Chopped Suey for Big Clean Energy. Want fries with that?


103 posted on 12/14/2016 4:41:42 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: DoughtyOne

We are good...........


104 posted on 12/14/2016 5:03:34 PM PST by Osage Orange (Cover up after cover up...OUR GOVERNMENT is OUT OF CONTROL)
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To: Osage Orange

I wish it could have wound up more in your favor on that scenario. At any rate thanks again.


105 posted on 12/14/2016 5:14:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (jcon40, "Are we be coming into the age of Sanity?")
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To: Rebelbase

Hoist on their own petards.


106 posted on 12/14/2016 5:14:20 PM PST by JayGalt
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To: DoughtyOne

I guess you need some history...and some real life stuff.


107 posted on 12/14/2016 5:31:41 PM PST by Osage Orange (Cover up after cover up...OUR GOVERNMENT is OUT OF CONTROL)
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To: DoughtyOne
Let me rephrase that.....

Maybe you need some of my history....In regards to land owning..and such.

108 posted on 12/14/2016 5:33:59 PM PST by Osage Orange (Cover up after cover up...OUR GOVERNMENT is OUT OF CONTROL)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Ditto all that............


109 posted on 12/14/2016 5:39:32 PM PST by Osage Orange (Cover up after cover up...OUR GOVERNMENT is OUT OF CONTROL)
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To: Timpanagos1

“Whose landscape are wind turbines blighting?”

Mine! We can’t drive to the eastern part of our county to look at a beautiful reservoir without “legions” of these pieces of crap marring the vistas. And most of them are broken so they don’t work. Talk about Solyndra. This stuff is just another example of our government pi$$ing away our hard-earned tax dollars. And don’t get me started about how our schools, our Police dept. etc have these “covered parking lots” with ugly-a$$ed solar panels protecting the paint on our teachers and our cops personal vehicles. It’s government run amuck!


110 posted on 12/14/2016 5:49:17 PM PST by vette6387
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks for posting. Just shared it on FB.


111 posted on 12/14/2016 5:52:59 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: econjack
I love the irreverence of Texans! Years ago, I chanced to drive from Ft. Worth to DFW. And there in the middle of the road was this thing they called ORVUS, an early attempt at speed cameras. This particular example had suffered a catastrophic failure at the hands of what I assume was a shotgun blast!
112 posted on 12/14/2016 5:53:40 PM PST by vette6387
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To: itsahoot

Except for the background, this looks exactly like the Altamont Pass east of Oakland, CA. The other major turd in the punchbowl in CA is the Ivanpah solar energy facility on the border near Las Vegas. This MF just had one of it’s concentrators suffer a coolant failure which caused it to melt down. Most people look at is as a big “bird barbecue.”


113 posted on 12/14/2016 5:58:41 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Osage Orange

It might help. Going through legal situations are certainly a crash course. I do understand the concepts you’re addressing. I have to put myself in your shoes, and then think if I could have a reasoned chance at prevailing. In some instances, I couldn’t.


114 posted on 12/14/2016 6:36:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (jcon40, "Are we be coming into the age of Sanity?")
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To: DoughtyOne
Not a crash course for me....

Take care...........

115 posted on 12/14/2016 6:45:05 PM PST by Osage Orange (Cover up after cover up...OUR GOVERNMENT is OUT OF CONTROL)
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To: Osage Orange

You too...

You didn’t learn anything going into court?


116 posted on 12/14/2016 6:48:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (jcon40, "Are we be coming into the age of Sanity?")
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To: NormsRevenge

Wind generation is another crony capitalist venture to hand public subsidies to connected insiders. I can’t imagine it generates enough to offset the costs along with visual, audible, and wildlife harm and loss of property value to neighbors.


117 posted on 12/14/2016 7:13:45 PM PST by apoliticalone (Political correctness should be defined as news media that exposes political corruption)
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To: vette6387

““Whose landscape are wind turbines blighting?””

“Mine! We can’t drive to the eastern part of our county to look at a beautiful reservoir without “legions” of these pieces of crap marring the vistas.

Why did you let them build wind turbines on your property and all it’s beautiful vistas and that entire reservoir that you own?

If they had build wind turbines on my property, I would be fighting mad as well.

Is there anything you can do to get them to remove the wind turbines from the land that you own?


118 posted on 12/14/2016 9:45:11 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: Osage Orange

I never did say that wind turbines do not kill birds.


119 posted on 12/14/2016 9:56:22 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: Osage Orange

“For the 12 month period ending July 2016, wind energy provided 12.14% of all in-state electricity production.

• Equivalent number of homes powered by wind: 4.1 million”

http://awea.files.cms-plus.com/FileDownloads/pdfs/Texas.pdf


120 posted on 12/14/2016 9:58:29 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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