Lessons of Aleppo—for Trump (Buchanan column)

Taki's Magazine ^ | 12-15-16 | Pat Buchanan

[dynachrome]

How did this debacle come about?

First, in calling for the overthrow of Bashar Assad, who had not attacked or threatened us, we acted not in our national interests, but out of democratist ideology. Assad is a dictator. Dictators are bad. So Assad must go.

Yet we had no idea who would replace him.

It soon became clear that Assad’s most formidable enemies, and probable successors, would be the al-Nusra Front, the Syrian branch of al-Qaida, or ISIS, then carrying out grisly executions in their base camp in Raqqa.

U.S. policy became to back the “good” rebels in Aleppo, bomb the “bad” rebels in Raqqa and demand that Assad depart. An absurd policy.

[dynachrome]

Obozo has a lot of blood on his hands

[lurk]

But but, our policy of overthrow worked so well in Lybia...

[Junk Silver]

“...we acted not in our national interests, but out of democratist ideology.”

Bullshit. Obama and Clinton acted in the national interests of their Saudi and Qatari puppet masters who wanted to run a pipeline through Syria. That’s all this was about.

We actually might have a chance now to roll back some of the vile corruption that has overtaken our government, but the first step is to admit how low we’ve sunk. Please let’s dispense with this nonsense about our noble but misplaced ideological motivations.

[heterosupremacist]

Dang it! You beat me by 38 seconds!

Great post...

[dynachrome]

democratist ideology

My take was that he meant the current “demo-rat” party stalinists.

[dynachrome]

Buchanan is good.

[Helicondelta]

“but out of democratist ideology. Assad is a dictator. Dictators are bad. So Assad must go.”

It was more like.. The Saudis need to build a pipeline through Syria. The Saudis have money. The Saudis gave money to the Clinton foundation. Assad must go.

[ari-freedom]

It all started with Mubarak in Egypt and the arab spring

[A_perfect_lady]

I’m really confused as to why liberals are okay with ousting Assad when they had a fit over ousting Saddam.

[MtnClimber]

It seems that the 0bama administration has tried to overthrow all muslim countries with secular gov’s. The radical Muslim Brotherhood has been inserted. Totalitarian, sharia is a leftist wet dream.

[heterosupremacist]

from the link :

It soon became clear that Assad’s most formidable enemies, and probable successors, would be the al-Nusra Front, the Syrian branch of al-Qaida, or ISIS, then carrying out grisly executions in their base camp in Raqqa.

U.S. policy became to back the “good” rebels in Aleppo, bomb the “bad” rebels in Raqqa and demand that Assad depart. An absurd policy.

Nor had the American people been consulted.

After a decade of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, they saw no U.S. vital interests at risk in who ruled Damascus, so long as it was not the terrorists of ISIS or al-Qaida.

Then came Obama’s “red line” warning: The U.S. would take military action if chemical weapons were used in Syria’s civil war.

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What undercut this ultimatum was that Congress had never authorized the president to take military action against Syria, and the American people wanted to stay out of Syria’s civil war.

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Thanks for posting.

[ari-freedom]

That explains Syria but not Libya and Egypt (Mubarak replaced by Morsi)
The common denominator is that secular arab regimes would be replaced by Islamists

[dynachrome]

I look at as Taki’s mag gets extra traffic from FR. I feel it deserves the traffic compared to WND which also posts Buchanan’s columns.

[Tallguy]

You have it right. Strip it all away and this is about 2 competing pipeline projects that both need to run through Syria — Iranian (with Russia) and Saudi-Qatari (with US). Asad favored the Iranians and therefore Obama said he must go.

[Helicondelta]

“The common denominator is that secular arab regimes would be replaced by Islamists”

Islamists = Isis = AlQaeda = Wahhabi Ideology from Saudi Arabia

Who do you think will rule over the Caliphate?

It won’t be the guy with the dirty hat. It will be the Saudi king.

[Disestablishmentarian]

When America engages in incomprehensibly stupid behavior against our interests, it is invariably because our corrupt, treasonous politicians are following the orders of their globalist masters.

Then the captive media tries to feed us a s#it sandwich.

[nathanbedford]

Pat Buchanan, one of America's most insightful columnists observes:

To Iran, Assad is ... A crucial link in the Shiite Crescent that extends from Tehran to Baghdad to Damascus to Beirut.

To which should be added his observation:

Bashar Assad is Russia’s ally and provides Putin with his sole naval base in the Med.

And we have been talking about for so long, an axis, or Crescent if you prefer, involving Russia, fully armed with nuclear weapons, with naval access from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean, possessed of much of the world's oil resources, positioned to invert nearly a century long balance of power, inclined toward terrorism and viciously anti-American.

Add China who have already cooperated with this frightening combination of players and we have an existential threat to the United States.

To those who believe that Vladimir Putin is benign, look at a map.

To Pat Buchanan, just because intervention one day is counterproductive does not mean that intervention another day is indispensable to our survival. The world looked entirely different on December 8, 1941.

[Fhios]

I think he’s a level off. We’re not here by mistake or bad policy. This was done by design.

[GonzoII]

Ping.

[Kozy]

What about those dictators right here? Castro, how about the Venezuela twins of fear Chavez and Maduro? Probably the Brazilian dictator is fair game. Why go to Syria? Plenty of low lives right here.