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Mike Pence on Russia in Ukraine: 'We're Watching and Very Troubled'
ABC News ^ | 2/5/2017 | CONOR FINNEGAN

Posted on 02/06/2017 7:41:20 PM PST by KOZ.

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To: KOZ.

Too bad they’re not troubled about the Nazis running Ukraine who are killing civilians.


21 posted on 02/06/2017 9:06:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: KOZ.

Mike Pence, from the VP debate on Oct 5, 2016, on the subject of Putin and Russia:

“When Donald Trump and I observe that, as I’ve said, in Syria, in Iran, in Ukraine, that the small and bullying leader of Russia has been stronger on the world stage than this administration, that’s stating painful facts. That’s not an endorsement of Vladimir Putin — that’s an indictment of the weak and feckless leadership of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.”

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Also from the Oct 5, 2016 first VP debate...

QUIJANO (Moderator): I want to turn now to Syria. Two hundred fifty thousand people, 100,000 of them children, are under siege in Aleppo, Syria. Bunker buster bombs, cluster munitions, and incendiary weapons are being dropped on them by Russian and Syrian militaries. Does the U.S. have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale, Governor Pence?

PENCE: The United States of America needs to begin to exercise strong leadership to protect the vulnerable citizens and over 100,000 children in Aleppo. Hillary Clinton’s top priority when she became secretary of state was the Russian reset, the Russians reset. After the Russian reset, the Russians invaded Ukraine and took over Crimea.

And the small and bullying leader of Russia is now dictating terms to the United States to the point where all the United States of America — the greatest nation on Earth — just withdraws from talks about a cease-fire while Vladimir Putin puts a missile defense system in Syria while he marshals the forces and begins — look, we have got to begin to lean into this with strong, broad-shouldered American leadership.

It begins by rebuilding our military. And the Russians and the Chinese have been making enormous investments in the military. We have the smallest Navy since 1916. We have the lowest number of troops since the end of the Second World War. We’ve got to work with Congress, and Donald Trump will, to rebuild our military and project American strength in the world.

But about Aleppo and about Syria, I truly do believe that what America ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones, so that families and vulnerable families with children can move out of those areas, work with our Arab partners, real time, right now, to make that happen.

And secondly, I just have to tell you that the provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength. And if Russia chooses to be involved and continue, I should say, to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in Aleppo, the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets of the Assad regime to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in Aleppo.

There’s a broad range of other things that we ought to do, as well. We ought to deploy a missile defense shield to the Czech Republic and Poland which Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama pulled back on out of not wanting to offend the Russians back in 2009.

QUIJANO: Governor, your two minutes are up.

PENCE: We’ve just got to have American strength on the world stage. When Donald Trump becomes president of the United States, the Russians and other countries in the world will know they’re dealing with a strong American president.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/us/politics/vice-president-transcript.html

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PENCE: What we’re dealing with is the — you know, there’s an old proverb that says the Russian bear never dies, it just hibernates.

And the truth of the matter is, the weak and feckless foreign policy of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has awakened an aggression in Russia that first appeared a few years ago with their move in Georgia, now their move into Crimea, now their move into the wider Middle East.

And all the while, all we do is fold our arms and say we’re not having talks anymore.

To answer your question, we just need American strength. We need to — we need to marshal the resources of our allies in the region, and in the immediate, we need to act and act now to get people out of harm’s way.

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Trump’s U.N. Envoy, Nikki Haley, Condemns Russia’s ‘Aggressive Actions’ in Ukraine

By SOMINI SENGUPTA
Feb 2, 2017

UNITED NATIONS — Nikki R. Haley, the new American ambassador to the United Nations, condemned Russia on Thursday for its recent “aggressive actions” in eastern Ukraine.

“We do want to better our relations with Russia,” Ms. Haley said during her first remarks to an open briefing of the United Nations Security Council. “However, the dire situation in eastern Ukraine is one that demands clear and strong condemnation of Russian actions.”

She made it clear that American sanctions imposed after Russia’s annexation of Crimea would remain in place.

During her Senate confirmation hearing last month, Ms. Haley also expressed support for continuing the sanctions and accused Russia of committing war crimes in the Syrian conflict. But her strong criticism of the government of President Vladimir V. Putin put her at odds with President Trump, who has expressed a desire for warmer relations with the Kremlin. ...’

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/world/europe/nikki-haley-trump-ukraine-russia-putin.html?_r=0

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Senator Jeff Sessions on Putin...

March 26, 2015

Interview with Jeff Sessions: U.S. and Europe "Have to Unify" Against Russia

excerpt...

What do you expect next from Russia?

Sessions: Well, there's a danger that they may continue this overreach. They just solidified power in Georgia, in South Ossetia. That was I think in the last week. Pressure is still on Ukraine. We don't know whether the Minsk Agreement will hold, I don't think it's holding very well now.

We have the Estonians, the Lithuanians, the Romanians, they're very worried. This is reality, I wish it weren't, but I'm afraid it is. It needs to be clear that Russia knows that there will be a high price to pay if this behavior continues.

If Minsk breaks down, at what point does the president have to act and supply Ukraine with lethal weaponry? What is the breaking point? We know from what Victoria Nuland said that the administration hasn't decided yet.

Sessions: From what I understand from this conference, I think it's clear that Germany has said publicly that they will support harsher sanctions and more military support if the Minsk Agreement fails. And that will be key.

Merkel has worked very very hard to establish a relationship with Putin and Russia. It's been a good-faith effort. If it fails, I would hope that Europe and the United States would have to unify and push back more firmly against Russian overreach. ..."

http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/2015/03/interview_with_jeff_sessions_us_and_europe_have_to_unify_against_russia_111076.html

or,

https://web.archive.org/web/20150709024356/http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/2015/03/interview_with_jeff_sessions_us_and_europe_have_to_unify_against_russia_111076.html

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"In a Montgomery speech in March 2014...he [Sen Jeff Sessions] called for international scorn toward Russia for its aggressive actions in Ukraine and, before then, Georgia.

"I believe a systematic effort should be undertaken so that Russia feels pain for this," Sessions said then. "Because if you don't act now to make some sanctions against Russia then why will they believe in the future that we're going to impose sanctions or do anything aggressive if they move forward to take all of Ukraine, all of Georgia?""

Sessions, not that long ago, was calling for more sanctions against an expansionist Russia that was rattling U.S. allies in Europe. And he regularly blamed the Obama administration for what he argued was an overly optimistic and weak foreign policy, including a decision to scale back planned missile defense sites in the Czech Republic and Poland.

“There’s no good solution now. The bottle of milk has shattered on the floor and you can’t put it back together,” the Alabama senator said about relations with Russia in the aftermath of the annexation of Crimea.

Sessions has also pointed to Russia’s record as justification for a robust missile defense system, which has deep roots in north Alabama.

“Russia’s recent actions in Georgia remind us that country, which we once hoped was on a path to greater integration into the global world community, might again be seeking to restore old Soviet ideas of dominance throughout their neighbors and in Eastern Europe, all of which should serve as a motivation to move ahead with the necessary capabilities to defend ourselves and our allies from missile attack, in particular,” Sessions said on the Senate floor in 2008.

Two years later, Sessions voted against the New START nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia, in part because he thought Obama conceded too much ground to the Russians.

“Just signing an agreement on a piece of paper does not create security,” Sessions said. “A consistent, principled, just approach to our legitimate national defense, advocated clearly and forthrightly without misunderstanding, is the best way to have security in this dangerous world.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/15/sen-jeff-sessions-backs-donald-trump-russia-policy/88796584/

or,

https://web.archive.org/web/20161115103421/http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/15/sen-jeff-sessions-backs-donald-trump-russia-policy/88796584/
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2014

Dan Coats speaks Tuesday in Indianapolis after winning the Republican ...

Sen. Dan Coats banned from entering Russia as retaliation for sanctions

Maureen Groppe and Aamer Madhani, Star Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON – Sen. Dan Coats’ efforts to punish Russia because of Moscow’s move to annex the Crimea region of Ukraine has gotten him banned from the country.

While I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to go on vacation with my family in Siberia this summer, I am honored to be on this list,” the Indiana Republican said after Russia’s announcement Thursday. ...”

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/20/sen-coats-banned-entering-russia-retaliation-sanctions/6661473/
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"President-elect Donald Trump intends to nominate former Indiana Sen. Dan Coats to serve as National Intelligence Director"

"Dan Coats of Indiana has served on the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees."

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Donald Trump: 'Putin has eaten Obama's lunch, therefore our lunch, for a long period of time'

Mar 13, 2014
Eun Kyung Kim: TODAY SHOW (NBC)

Donald Trump slammed President Obama Thursday on TODAY for failing to take a stronger line against President Vladimir Putin in dealing with Ukraine, saying he feared Obama would now make up for lost time with imprudent moves to "show his manhood."

The real estate mogul and reality-TV star, who has criticized Putin for sending military troops into Crimea, said Obama must now take fierce steps to prevent the situation from escalating further.

"We should definitely do sanctions and we have to show some strengths. I mean, Putin has eaten Obama's lunch, therefore our lunch, for a long period of time," Trump said. ..."

http://www.today.com/news/donald-trump-putin-has-eaten-obamas-lunch-ukraine-2D79372098
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Here’s the interview w/ Matt Lauer on YouTube...

Donald Trump (2014): ‘Vladimir Putin Has Eaten Obama’s Lunch’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzURUENf1ns
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Trump says NATO is obsolete but still ‘very important to me’

Reuters
January 16, 2017

LONDON (Reuters) - U.S. President-elect Donald Trump said NATO was obsolete because it had not defended against terror attacks, but that the military alliance was still very important to him, The Times of London reported.

“I took such heat, when I said NATO was obsolete,” Trump told the newspaper in an interview. “It’s obsolete because it wasn’t taking care of terror. I took a lot of heat for two days. And then they started saying Trump is right.”

Trump added that many NATO members were not paying their fair share for U.S. protection.

“A lot of these countries aren’t paying what they’re supposed to be paying, which I think is very unfair to the United States,” Trump said. “With that being said, NATO is very important to me. There’s five countries that are paying what they’re supposed to. Five. It’s not much.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-nato-obsolete-still-very-important-004548554—finance.html?ref=gs

22 posted on 02/06/2017 9:08:50 PM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: RedWulf

Russia has been manufacturing crises and conflicts to slowly push its borders and stress alliances designed to contain it. First Georgia, then Ukraine, and now Turkey/Syria and the Baltics. By annexing Crimea and keeping low intensity warfare in the Donbas, they are able to distract people from the softening economy and persistent corruption and repression of political alternatives.

Trump seems to be doing a better job of threading the needle between pushing NATO partners to meet their defense commitments and affirming our commitment to NATO.


23 posted on 02/06/2017 9:11:23 PM PST by socalgop
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To: KOZ.
There is a long, long history that has to be understood in dealing with this situation. Long history that needs to be understood clearly regarding Crimea, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, etc.

Donetsk is getting the crap shelled out of it by both sides, yet we only hear of Russian aggression. There are two sides and two stories. Our media is only showing one side.

As the EU stands to continue losing more member states, this whole argument which started (recently anyway) around EU issues, may become irrelevant soon enough. The Ukrainians are fiercely independent and Crimea is strongly historic. What the US needs to do is get some people who fully understand the history of this area and work something out. Blaming everything on Putin and calling him a killer is not helpful at all.

I don't think the EU or the US is willing to go to war over this. I would hope not.

24 posted on 02/06/2017 9:39:13 PM PST by Ymani Cricket (Pressure makes diamonds - General Patton)
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To: KOZ.
You got that backwards. Merkle is heading with tanks and the EU in tow toward Moscow.

The Obama administration, as a leaving present to Nato, sent tanks to Poland. I hope Trump reverses the situation.

If he takes the advice of his friend Nigel Farage, he will.

25 posted on 02/06/2017 10:05:04 PM PST by duckln
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To: WENDLE

I am watching and I am concerned about the ‘war party’ of the Republican Establishment and what they will do to force Donald Trump into waging war on Russia for the New World Order-Soros etc. etc.


26 posted on 02/06/2017 10:21:35 PM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is everybody's business: Remember Pastor Niemoller)
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To: FreeReign

Carrot / Stick


27 posted on 02/06/2017 10:37:26 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: KOZ.

It’s very possible that Trump is trying to provide Putin an exit ramp that he can use to disengage from a fruitless aggressive endeavors. What’s not clear is whether Putin, having whipped up Russian chauvinism and ultra nationalist expectations, can take that ramp and rejoin Western Civilization. Trump’s giving Putin a way to climb down without being humiliated and likely overthrown and charged for all his crimes against the Russian people. I don’t think Putin will take it.


28 posted on 02/06/2017 10:55:23 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: KOZ.

WENDLE is one of the FR Putinistas. KGB/FSB Putin can do no wrong in his twisted view of things.


29 posted on 02/07/2017 12:55:28 AM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: KOZ.

duckln is another sick-in-the-head diehard Putinista.


30 posted on 02/07/2017 1:07:14 AM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: RedWulf
You know how you can spot a Neo-con? They always lie about easily verified facts that don’t fit their world view.

You do realize that your Putin admiration is 100% in opposition to that of the top officials of the Trump administration? And if you think they went off on their own with their sharp criticism of KGB/FSB Putin, without conferencing and carefully discussing with Trump, you're even more screwed up than I thought. His VP and UN ambassador picks are more harshly critical of the expansionist thug than I am, as is Jeff Sessions.

31 posted on 02/07/2017 1:16:09 AM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: FreeReign
It’s become apparent to me that Trump will NOT be soft on Putin.

I never believed he would be soft - he's trying to encourage Putin to straighten up but won't be taken in by him. Of the two, I'd wager Trump is the better judge of an adversary.

32 posted on 02/07/2017 3:31:49 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: WENDLE

What’s amazing is that it was the Ukrainian forces who shelled and killed the pro-Russian rebel civilian area in the Donbass without provocation. Do Pence and Haley not care about this kind of big fact??


33 posted on 02/07/2017 4:05:02 AM PST by AC Beach Patrol
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To: ETL

The never Trumper Nicky? I couldn’t give a flying fig about her opinion. Trump’s been trying a good cop, bad cop approach on Russia to split them from Iran, but it’s unlikely to work. Russians strategic intrests in the middle east are too strongly tried to Iran.

Worse the Neo-Cons like McCain have cooked up a new war in the Ukraine which they plan force Trump’s hand against Russia and us into war or to attack Trump and possibly replace him when he refuses to get involved when the Russian counter attack hits. I bet they’ve cooked up a new fake dossier about Trump being blackmailed by the Russians if he doesn’t comply.


34 posted on 02/07/2017 6:42:35 AM PST by RedWulf (TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!)
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To: RedWulf
The never Trumper Nicky? I couldn’t give a flying fig about her opinion.

Are you really that dumb, or deranged, to actually think, as Trump's pick for UN AMBASSADOR!, her remarks regarding your hero, thug/assassin/supporter of America's enemies, KGB Putin, weren't carefully gone over by the Trump team prior to her making them public and part of the official record? Tell me you don't seriously believe that.

35 posted on 02/07/2017 6:52:25 AM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: elhombrelibre
It’s very possible that Trump is trying to provide Putin an exit ramp that he can use to disengage from a fruitless aggressive endeavors.

Interesting. I think that's probably the case.

36 posted on 02/07/2017 8:02:48 AM PST by FreeReign
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