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These scientists want to create ‘red teams’ to challenge climate research. Congress is listening
washingtonpost.com ^ | 3/29/2017 | Chelsea Harvey

Posted on 03/31/2017 10:24:38 AM PDT by rktman

Prominent scientists operating outside the scientific consensus on climate change urged Congress on Wednesday to fund “red teams” to investigate “natural” causes of global warming and challenge the findings of the United Nations’ climate science panel.

The suggestion for a counter-investigative science force — or red team approach — was presented in prepared testimony by scientists known for questioning the influence of human activity on global warming. It comes at a time when President Trump and other members of the administration have expressed doubt about the accepted science of climate change, and are considering drastic cuts to federal funding for scientific research.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: climatechange; climatechangefraud; climatefraud; ecowankers; fakescience; trumpclimatechange
Well they're only "climate doubters". Not as radical as full tilt "climate deniers". I did notice the terms "scientific consensus" and "'accepted' science of climate change...". Yeah, when one looks at the actual numbers of "scientist" polled compared to the total number, even a caveman could come up with a "consensus" number. Heard that Prof Curry slapped mikey mann down pretty good at the hearings. Scarlet "D"s all around.
1 posted on 03/31/2017 10:24:38 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

The main argument I hear about CO2 emissions is that most atmospheric CO2 is C12. Would volcanic CO2 lack C14 from being underground so long?


2 posted on 03/31/2017 10:28:36 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: rktman

Science isn’t decided by consensus. It is decided by evaluation of facts and the facts don’t support AGM.


3 posted on 03/31/2017 10:28:39 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: rktman

AND PROSECUTE LIARS LIKE MANN WHO CAUSED $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BE WASTED WITH FAKE RESEARCH


4 posted on 03/31/2017 10:30:43 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF OBAMACARE REPEAL THAT IS WORSE THAN KEEPING IT ONE MORE DAY***)
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To: rktman
concensus???
5 posted on 03/31/2017 10:31:08 AM PDT by bankwalker (groupthink is dangerous ...)
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To: bankwalker

Hmmm. Can I check the box for PhD in the field of “opposing dumbassedness”? Thanks for the link in any case. ;-)


6 posted on 03/31/2017 10:35:43 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: rktman

Anything, ANYTHING, associated with the UN comes from losers.

Losers who couldn’t do anything in the private market.
Losers who couldn’t do anything even in the simpleton government service.
Losers who couldn’t publish a comic book.
Losers who are so repulsive, you’d forbid your daughter to be associated with them (unless she’s a Clinton/Dorkbama type).

Folks, these folks are so dumb, they couldn’t even work for CNN.

Believe them at your peril.


7 posted on 03/31/2017 10:35:49 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: rktman

Heretics! They should be burned at the stake!

But that would cause more Global Warming. So they will have to be shunned, prosecuted and sent to re-education camps.


8 posted on 03/31/2017 10:36:18 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation has ended!)
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To: Morpheus2009

The main argument —should be— that man’s CO2 amounts to just 0.00136% of the atmosphere-

To put this in perspective- take a piece of paper, and place a dot on it the size of the pencil lead tip- that dot roughly represents how much CO2 is in the atmosphere due to man- or picture 3 5 gallon pails of 100 degree water added to an olympic sized pool of 95 degree water- Those three buckets represent the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere produced by man- now try to envision those three pails overwhelming the whole pool’s 95 degree water to cause ‘catastrophic pool temperature change’

It can’t be done- those 3 buckets will have a near zero effect on the pool’s temperature due to equilibrium-

Bottom line is there is nowhere near enough CO2 to cause any sort of change in temperature globally-

There are many other reasons that prove man can’t possibly be causing the change- but this is the main reason why- there simply is nowhere near enough CO2 to cause global climate change

There is no thick blanket of CO2 surrounding the globe preventing heat from escaping- There is so little CO2 that scientists should be shamed for even suggesting that man is ‘the primary cause of climate change’ or even ‘slightly responsible for climate change’- those scientists claiming such an idiotic claim should resign their posts


9 posted on 03/31/2017 10:42:19 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: rktman

Require these “scientists” to reject any “research” that hasn’t followed the scientific method.


10 posted on 03/31/2017 10:44:12 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: rktman

It is ironic that the so-called “climate deniers” are the ones that believe climate changes naturally. Meanwhile, the ones who believe climate doesn’t change naturally are called the “climate believers” and are also the ones who call those who believe climate does change naturally, the deniers. Something is very wrong here.

It is the “believers” who are the deniers.


11 posted on 03/31/2017 10:47:51 AM PDT by pjd
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To: rktman

“It comes at a time when President Trump and other members of the administration have expressed doubt about the accepted science of climate change”

Science is never “accepted”. It constantly subject to questioning and testing - which is why it is called “science”.

And Climate change is a reality no one questions. The only question is how much anthropogenic activities impact it, and so far, the verdict is nearly not at all on the macroclimate level.


12 posted on 03/31/2017 11:07:28 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! HE KILLED OBAMACARE REPEAL AND WILL KILL TAX REFORM!!)
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To: rktman
Prominent scientists operating outside the scientific consensus on climate change urged Congress on Wednesday to fund “red teams” to investigate “natural” causes of global warming and challenge the findings of the United Nations’ climate science panel.

After being exposed to unscientific propaganda blaming mankind for global warming, it will be heartening to see actual science being discussed.

Maybe some of the leftists will learn about and appreciate the scientific method. Maybe the alphabet channels will learn a little about real science. Maybe even Bill Nye will learn something.

13 posted on 03/31/2017 11:20:36 AM PDT by olezip
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To: rktman; All
Thank you for referencing that article rktman. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"Congress is listening"

FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Congress may be listening to politically correct climate issues, but Congress will have to wait until the states amend the Constitution to expressly grant Congress the specific power to deal with climate issues before Congress can do anything about it.

Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!

Remember in November ’18 !

Since Trump entered the ’16 presidential race too late for patriots to make sure that there were state sovereignty-respecting candidates on the primary ballots, patriots need make sure that such candidates are on the ’18 primary ballots so that they can be elected to support Trump in draining the unconstitutionally big federal government swamp.

Such a Congress will also be able to finish draining the swamp with respect to getting the remaining state sovereignty-ignoring, activist Supreme Court justices off of the bench.

In fact, if Justice Gorsuch is approved but turns out to be a liberal Trojan Horse then we will need 67 patriot senators to remove a House-impeached Gorsuch from office.

Noting that the primaries start in Iowa and New Hampshire in February ‘18, patriots need to challenge candidates for federal office in the following way.

While I Googled the primary information above concerning Iowa and New Hampshire, FReeper iowamark brought to my attention that the February primaries for these states apply only to presidential election years. And after doing some more scratching, since primary dates for most states for 2018 elections probably haven’t been uploaded at this time (March 14, 2017), FReepers will need to find out primary dates from sources and / or websites in their own states.

Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.

Patriots also need to find candidates that are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed above.

14 posted on 03/31/2017 11:22:44 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

“...the following critique is directed at the article and not at you. “ Well my feelings are hurt anyway. LOL!


15 posted on 03/31/2017 11:33:46 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Morpheus2009

If the current CO2 rise is volcanic, then we would have to explain why now. There are 20k years of high res (annual) ice cores with CO2 measurements. No big rises or falls in CO2 until the recent one. There are other CO2 proxies that show up to 50-60 ppm rapid rises. But our current rise is 120 and growing at 2ppm per year with no apparent rise in volcanic activity.


16 posted on 03/31/2017 11:57:23 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: rktman
Global Warming Skeptics Question Authority

Princeton Professor Denies Global Warming Theory Jan. 12, 2009

Princeton Physics Professor Discredits Anthropogenic Climate Change Theory Dec. 21, 2016

German scientists reject man-made global warming

Real Scientist Uncover Serious Flaw In Global Warming Data

Physicist Howard Hayden's one-letter disproof of global warming claims [pre-Climategate]

'Consensus' On Man-Made Global Warming Collapses in 2008

Perth electrical engineer's discovery will change climate change debate October 04, 2015

Top Physicist Freeman Dyson: Obama 'Took the Wrong Side' on Climate Change October 14, 2015

Global Warming Petition Project Scientists who reject AGW
31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs

Prominent Scientists Declare Climate Claims Ahead of UN Summit 'Irrational' * 'Based On Nonsense' * 'Leading us down a false path' November 19, 2015

97 Articles Refuting The “97% Consensus”

17 posted on 03/31/2017 12:59:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (President Trump is not a politician.)
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To: palmer
But our current rise is 120 and growing at 2ppm per year with no apparent rise in volcanic activity.

And you believe those figures because...? Haven't they lied to us about almost everything before?

18 posted on 03/31/2017 1:17:06 PM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: JimRed
I believe those figures because they have been replicated in various locations since the 1950's. There is no doubt that the CO2 has risen to 400+, little doubt that it was never higher in the last 20k years and little doubt that the rise is from fossil.

That said, the main reason it is probably fossil is that there are no other viable explanations or combination of explanations. New volcanic activity has not been observed to correlate with the rise, and ocean outgassing from ocean warming is not large enough to cause the rise. If the rise were from warming, we would need 12C of ocean warming in the last few centuries. That's not plausible.

19 posted on 03/31/2017 3:20:40 PM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: rktman

“Prominent scientists operating outside the scientific consensus”

The so-called journalists of today cannot even recognize when their phrases are constructed with an oxymoron. If, as is true, many “prominent scientists” are not in agreement with the alarmist climate agenda, then, quite factually THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS.


20 posted on 04/01/2017 5:20:43 AM PDT by Wuli
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