The little tweak that's about to give Trump a big win on health care

Vox ^ | May 3, 2017 | Dylan Scott

[nickcarraway]

But this version still has the strong mandate even Obama couldn’t get? This is ACA Plus.

[mr_griz]

David Young is my congressman. He parades as a conservative, and is a heck of a nice guy, but wishy-washy as all get out. I voted against him in the primary and probably will this time too.

[LS]

Myth. There was no mandate in the first one. Only a tax incentive. There is a big difference. We have solar panel incentives here in AZ, but no mandate to own solar panels.

[nuconvert]

I don’t understand how this fixes current healthcare problems. Am I still going to pay thousands of dollars a year for health coverage with a $6000 deductible?

[dhs12345]

For the individual?

[af_vet_1981]

Upton’s role here is crucial. He is the former chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee and an experienced health care legislator. His defection to ‘No’ on Tuesday suggested that even the revised version of AHCA could be in real trouble.

But after a dramatic trip to the White House on Wednesday, Upton reversed himself and said he would support the bill with his amendment. He later told reporters at the Capitol that he had actually started working on the amendment on Monday night, the day before he publicly announced his opposition.

Upton’s conversion — along with that of Missouri Republican Billy Long, another surprising defection earlier this week — seems to have persuaded enough wavering Republicans to come onboard.

Not tired of winning, thanks be to God.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Our healthcare system will never be the same. Obamacare has thrown it through the Overton window and now anything less than single-payer will be called cruel and affordable. And in 2018 that's what the Dims will run on.

I'm already looking at Costa Rica or Hungary to get dental work done. Hungary has one of the best dentistry clinics in the world and it's far cheaper than the U.S. Implants are just $500-$1,000 per tooth, and that includes the crown, implant, and the bone graft.

[Chauncey Gardiner]

Yet another form of subsidy. Expect more of same as Obamacare 2.0 gets implemented, this time 100% “owned” by republicans with no one to blame.

[dhs12345]

Am I missing something — it hasn’t even made it to the senate, yet?

[luvbach1]

If this doesn’t pass, the Dems will go into an unprecedented gloat.

[nickcarraway]

No, I am talking about the “Republican” version. They are going to levy a huge fine against anyone who goes without insurance for more than 63 days. Anyone who goes beyond 63 days without insurance, may never be able to get back in the market again. That’s a mandate with far more teeth than the empty threats of the Democrat ACA.

[hoosiermama]

Bump for morning

[rwilson99]

People with pre-existing conditions do not need insurance. They need charity.

The sooner our society understands that, the sooner we can provide them with better care.

[rocklobster11]

My understanding is that they are going to allow insurance companies to charge a fee for those with a lapse in coverage. That’s the only way to keep people from waiting until they get sick to buy insurance.

This plan isn’t the greatest, but it is a step in the right direction given that there will never be enough conservative republicans in office to undo everything Obamacare did.

[nickcarraway]

What you are describing is the mandate that so many here complained about. Except Obama was just bluffing, the mandate had no teeth. Now, the "Republican" version has a terrible penalty. In my book, that makes this farther to the left and far more evil than the original version.

I love how they will say of illegal immigrants, "no one should be illegal." But when it comes to hard-working, law-abiding U.S. citizens, the YOU/Obama/Trump/Ryan are eager to call them illegal. We are just the property of the government. To me, anyone who voted for/supports this bill is nothing other than a socialist. It allows the government to force people to do something that isn't in their interest and pay a large portion of their income for "insurance-in-name-only."

[nickcarraway]

You want the government to be able to force me to pay 43% of an income for a $7k deductible. So, I will have to pay for ALL my healthcare out of my pocket, with 43% of my income confiscated, for which I will get nothing in return? I don't know what you consider yourself, but trust me, it's not a conservative. That's pure socialism. And you consider U.S. citizens lower than illegals.

Yet, people consider this version better because it has better bribes for the states. No one actually cares about it's victims.

[rocklobster11]

The Obama mandate had teeth in the fact that the IRS collected the penalty (2.5% of income or $700, whichever was higher). Trump is not going to enforce it, but Obama was.

There are also getting rid of the Obamacare taxes ( 0.9 percent additional Medicare tax and the 3.8 percent net investment tax), which is good.

[TheConservativeTejano]

Our healthcare system will never be the same. Obamacare has thrown it through the Overton window and now anything less than single-payer will be called cruel and affordable. And in 2018 that's what the Dims will run on.

Hopefully, when the bill goes to the Senate that we go with Senator's Rand Paul's plan and that is too repeal all of Obamacare and replace Obamacare with a reasonable plan.

BTW, Budapest, Hungary was really nice and impressive. We loved that city. We were there about 2 years ago and our guide told us that they were just getting on their feet after Nazi and Communist occupation of their beautiful country.

[isthisnickcool]

A pre-existing condition is a planned claim. That is not “insurance” any more than if you could buy fire “insurance” to pay a “claim” after your house has burned down.