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Senate unveils healthcare bill
Washington Examiner ^ | June 22, 2017 | Robert King, Kimberly Leonard

Posted on 06/22/2017 8:39:30 AM PDT by GonzoII

Senate Republican leaders released a healthcare bill Thursday that overhauls Medicaid, scraps most of Obamacare's taxes and alters tax credits available to individuals to purchase health insurance.

The Senate discussion draft unveiled Thursday is the chamber's response to the American Health Care Act, which passed the House last month. Like the House bill, the Senate version guts Obamacare's controversial individual and employer mandates.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 115th; aca; ahca; gopremainsexempt; healthcare; mitchcare; obamacare; obamacare2; repeal; repealandreplace; romneycare; romneycare4ever; romneycare4you; ryancare; second100days; trumpcare
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To: Bob Ireland

Oh it’s close to unbearable I tell ya! The tone as well as what they’re saying....just repeating the same old record they’ve played for decades. They really don’t know any better nor do they understand the times.


21 posted on 06/22/2017 10:05:04 AM PDT by caww
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Curious how this bill will help the millions of self-employed forced onto CrapCare with its outrageous cost structure 70% more than before. Unlikely it will solve jack.


22 posted on 06/22/2017 10:11:08 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: GonzoII

Sounds like Schummer and Pelosi types in this thread.


23 posted on 06/22/2017 10:12:25 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Abby4116

“protect themselves from malpractice”

A son-in-law knows a husband and wife who both used to do OB/GYN. They both quit doing the obstetrics because of the 150k per year malpractice insurance.


24 posted on 06/22/2017 10:12:40 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: Gene Eric
Curious how this bill will help the millions of self-employed forced onto CrapCare with its outrageous cost structure 70% more than before. Unlikely it will solve jack.

They really should make HSA contributions "credits" instead of deductions.

25 posted on 06/22/2017 10:13:05 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Bob Ireland

How, in your immense intellect, do you justify that Trump is not representing us?


26 posted on 06/22/2017 10:14:50 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
***How, in your immense intellect, do you justify that Trump is not representing us?***

In simplicity: I do NOT want Obama Care fixed as I implied and Trump promised to repeal and replace during the election campaign. We are heading towards massive financial collapse and it will require massive corrections to avoid that - note: Illinois currently. Eliminate many govt agencies, eliminate much of govt spending, eliminate govt giveaways... etc. etc. etc.

27 posted on 06/22/2017 10:41:52 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: GonzoII
"Like the House bill, the Senate version guts Obamacare's controversial individual and employer mandates."

The House version did NOT gut the individual and employer mandates. It merely reduced the penalty for not maintaining health insurance to $0, leaving the door wide open for a future Congress to raise it.

Instinct tells me the Senate has done the same.

28 posted on 06/22/2017 10:59:45 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Diogenesis

Someone with clout needs to suggest to the president that if they don’t tweak this thing to be what WE want, he will put them on it. They should NOT be exempt!

Actually I just tweeted with @realdonaldtrump in my message. Not that he reads ‘em, but.....


29 posted on 06/22/2017 11:10:22 AM PDT by luvie (Our troops are the best of the best and we should honor them EVERY day!)
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To: Windflier

They have.

sections 104 & 105 https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf#page=10


30 posted on 06/22/2017 2:50:02 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: GonzoII

I love that it is a readable 175 pages. While I don’t plan on reading the whole thing I really like clear, accessible bills


31 posted on 06/22/2017 4:01:59 PM PDT by Persevero (Democrats haven't been this nutty since we freed their slaves.)
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To: Ray76
Ok, in reading the text of the Senate bill below, I don't see where they've done away with the individual mandate:

SEC. 104. INDIVIDUAL MANDATE.
7 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 5000A(c) of the Internal
8 Revenue Code of 1986 is amended—
9 (1) in paragraph (2)(B)(iii), by striking ‘‘2.5
10 percent’’ and inserting ‘‘Zero percent’’, and
11 (2) in paragraph (3)—
12 (A) by striking ‘‘$695’’ in subparagraph
13 (A) and inserting ‘‘$0’’, and
14 (B) by striking subparagraph (D).
15 (b) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by
16 this section shall apply to months beginning after Decem-
17 ber 31, 2015.

As I said before, they've reduced the penalty to $0, but the mandate remains. Any future Congress can choose to re-institute the fines.

32 posted on 06/22/2017 5:12:42 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

You said “Instinct tells me the Senate has done the same”, I replied “They have”. What’s the problem? I’m agreeing.


33 posted on 06/22/2017 5:27:20 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: cymbeline; Abby4116

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“protect themselves from malpractice”

A son-in-law knows a husband and wife who both used to do OB/GYN. They both quit doing the obstetrics because of the 150k per year malpractice insurance.
>

That’s OK, when we go single payer, no one will have standing to sue the govt = no need for malpractice insurance /s


34 posted on 06/22/2017 6:04:56 PM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: 1Old Pro

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Curious how this bill will help the millions of self-employed forced onto CrapCare with its outrageous cost structure 70% more than before. Unlikely it will solve jack.

They really should make HSA contributions “credits” instead of deductions.
>

R-I-G-H-T. That EITC has worked out real well too, no? *Geez*

Whole lotta, “They should...” when they shouldn’t BE to begin.


35 posted on 06/22/2017 6:06:45 PM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Ray76
You said “Instinct tells me the Senate has done the same”, I replied “They have”. What’s the problem? I’m agreeing.

You didn't quote my earlier comment, so I wasn't sure what I'd said, exactly. I didn't think I was being argumentative in my reply, nut maybe it came across that way.

36 posted on 06/22/2017 6:10:55 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: LUV W; Diogenesis

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Someone with clout needs to suggest to the president that if they don’t tweak this thing to be what WE want, he will put them on it. They should NOT be exempt!
>

What “WE” wanted was a full repeal. (R) sure passed THAT 6x knowing it didn’t have a chance of making it through.

1st day out of the gates w/ another (R) packed D.C. (as the voters pulled their levers on their promises), *boy* did WE hear the hemming and hawing and “We don’t have a bill ready (aside from the 6 prior we could dust off and vote on tomorrow)....but we do have a 3-part plan *HEAVILY* back-loaded. But, if you’ll trust us over the next 20+yrs, we’ll make it happen.”


37 posted on 06/22/2017 6:12:16 PM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Windflier; Ray76

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As I said before, they’ve reduced the penalty to $0, but the mandate remains. Any future Congress can choose to re-institute the fines.
>

And, they will...when the next cry of ‘revenue neutral’ rears its F* head (next week probably), they’ll slip in the not restored, but INCREASED amount in some 4000pg ‘rider’.


38 posted on 06/22/2017 6:15:30 PM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Windflier

Individual mandate penalty remains...now paid to the insurance company instead of the IRS. Penalty is 30% of the monthly premium for 12 months. If you are paying $800./mo. for your family’s policy the penalty is $240.00/mo. for 12 mo. = a $2880.00 penalty. Bogus “rework” of Obamacare...full repeal 1st.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1628/text (AHCA)
https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf (Senate changes to AHCA H.R. 1628)

I am assuming that the Senate document only lists their changes to the House ACHA bill, if any legislative “expert” (probably a lot FReepers know more about the Congress rules than I do) knows any different please post!


39 posted on 06/22/2017 6:44:22 PM PDT by Drago
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To: i_robot73

Exactly what I want! But I guess, realistically, that’s never going to happen, so we need the best that we can have, and the congresscritters need to be a part of the plan, not sitting on their pedestals with their wonderful private plan!

What WILL happen is that we’ll have the same old crap tomorrow that we do today that we hate and can’t afford.

I was really hoping this president wouldn’t become tone-deaf like the rest of them.


40 posted on 06/22/2017 7:07:54 PM PDT by luvie (Our troops are the best of the best and we should honor them EVERY day!)
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