The sex pervert as anti-fascist (...how Nazis were anything but 'conservative')

WND ^ | August 28, 2017 | Dinesh D'Souza

[RegulatorCountry]

View this and rejoin the thread if you’re not sufficiently embarrassed by your ignorance thus far:

https://youtu.be/2YXPDgF3SNA

[WatchungEagle]

The “American terms” you are using are ridiculous, ahistorical and only accepted by a dwindling number of some older conservatives in America. Traditionally, Americans used the terms “right” and “left” in largely the same way Europeans did. The definitions you are pushing are not the traditional American usage, but a very recent vintage invention that has never spread beyond the post WWII conservative movement.

I use words to mean what they commonly mean, I don’t have to buy into someone else’s esoteric definitions that change the meanings of words from what they mean in common speech.

Younger conservatives find the idea of PC style rearranging language to make it 100% consistent with ideology absurd. That’s what the left does when they say “the Soviet Union was state capitalism, not true communism.” The logical error you are making is equivalent to that.

We have nothing to do with nazis. That doesn’t mean nazis were on the political left. Saying so makes us look stupid and gives us a false sense that we have disarmed the left’s attacks.

Don’t you guys understand that “nazis were leftists” is protesting too much? We are not nazis. We have little in common with them(we both breath oxygen, for example). American conservatives fought nazis. We are not tarred by nazis in any way. We don’t need to distance our self from nazis to that degree because we were never associated with nazis to begin with. It sounds like you are going to such length to deny sharing anything in common with nazis that you end up looking suspicious. That’s how the general public hears those kinds of arguments. That may seem paradoxical to some here, but we are dealing with psychology when we enter the public arena.

This is a generational issue about tactics in the conservative movement. The “nazis were leftist” argument is part of a larger tendency among conservatives of a certain age range to attempt to throw back charges of racism from the left in ways that are not logical to most people. “The Democrats are the real racists” or “Robert Byrd was in the KKK” are variations of this. These are not persuasive arguments. They are riddled with logical errors. Most importantly, they don’t work, but actually reenforce the left’s frame that conservatives are closet racists struggle to hide their true nazi tendencies.

I know some of the older conservatives won’t ever by able to understand why this tactic backfires. Oh, well.

[NetAddicted]

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[fr_freak]

The “American terms” you are using are ridiculous, ahistorical and only accepted by a dwindling number of some older conservatives in America.

Actually, your entire line of reasoning is ridiculous, and I'm even surprised by how little you understood the history I just outlined. I suppose people believe what they want to believe, or what they have been trained to believe.

Whether the "Nazis were left wing" mantra has any success with the younger crowd, or lefties in general, is irrelevant to whether or not it is true. What is unarguably true is that the ideas embraced by the Nazi party were ANTITHETICAL to American right wing ideas. I can't put it any more simply than that. Nazi ideas are the opposite of American conservative ideas.

Once you get past your conditioning or bias or ignorance, or whatever it is holding you back, and recognize that simple fact, then your whole "Nazis really are right wing!!!" thing falls apart. They are right wing in Germany, but not in the US.

You are probably right that the "Nazis are left wing" argument is useless to us now, and will convince nobody, yourself being a fine example of this, but it doesn't make it less true. The Left has worked long and hard to brainwash Americans into believing that Nazis represent extreme right wing American thought in order to get Americans to reject right wing thought. Not hard to understand...for most of us here.

[otness_e]

Actually, I’m not even sure the Nazis even qualified as being of the German right-wing either (certainly not of the American right-wing, in any case). Goebbels did, after all, explicitly state, and I quote, “the NSDAP [Nazi Party] is the German Left. We despise bourgeois nationalism.” This was from Der Angriff, dated December 6, 1931.

And either way, I think the fact that many of its founding fathers were sexual perverts like Ernst Rohm and Hermann Goring among others (heck, the whole Lebensborne thing, not to mention that video of a breeding program featuring nude blonde germanic women that some guy posing as a butler took and posted online.) should be enough evidence to show that, contrary to what Herbert Marcuse and his ilk claimed, the Nazis were not puritanical people who restricted sex, and if anything were a LOT closer to what Marcuse advocated overall.