Posted on 09/03/2017 9:12:20 PM PDT by bigbob
The EMP Commission was established pursuant to title XIV of the Floyd D. Spence National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2001 (as enacted into law by Public Law 106-398; 114 Stat. 1654A-345). Duties of the EMP Commission include assessing:
- the nature and magnitude of potential high-altitude EMP threats to the United States from all potentially hostile states or non-state actors that have or could acquire nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles enabling them to perform a high-altitude EMP attack against the United States within the next 15 years;
- the vulnerability of United States military and especially civilian systems to an EMP attack, giving special attention to vulnerability of the civilian infrastructure as a matter of emergency preparedness; the capability of the United States to repair and recover from damage inflicted on United States military and civilian systems by an EMP attack; and
- the feasibility and cost of hardening select military and civilian systems against EMP attack. The Commission is charged with identifying any steps it believes should be taken by the United States to better protect its military and civilian systems from EMP attack.
Multiple reports and briefings associated with this effort have been produced by the EMP Commission including an Executive Report (PDF, 578KB) and a Critical National Infrastructures Report (PDF, 7MB) describing findings and recommendations.
The EMP Commission was reestablished via the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006 to continue its efforts to monitor, investigate, make recommendations, and report to Congress on the evolving threat to the United States from electromagnetic pulse attack resulting from the detonation of a nuclear weapon or weapons at high altitude.
“Tell a lie often enough”
I sent you links to the research papers that defined the phenomena. Peer reviewed and all. If you don’t read what I send you, you won’t know the difference between an EMP “lie” and the truth, because you are willfully and deliberately ignorant.
For how long? How long to the diesels need to be running so that everything else can come back on line? Weeks, months?
Our society has never known this. And most of us take it for granted.
“But you’ve been trolling these threads for years now with your ignorance.”
Sorry, bub, but your ignorance of EMP is shown by the typical Internet nerd rumors about EMP spread everyday by morons that think EMP will wipe out all things electronic and electrical, which just simply has never happened with EMP.
Lots of so-called educated PhDs also claim global warming is real and the ozone hole was man-made, so don’t even get me started on the fraud we call colleges.
“The morons that believe is global warming have the same illogical excuses you do for believing EMP with wipe out all things electronic and electrical.”
It’s proven physics, my man. Proven, peer reviewed, and actually tested at facilities that actually exist every day.
I do not say what you claim I do - that “all things electronic and electrical” will be wiped out. What I say is that we don’t know what will and will not be damaged/destroyed because we don’t test everything electronic.
“No, I don’t assert that. That is you fantasizing.”
You say “You might have to reboot your computer, that is all”
That’s what you said you can expect from an EMP on this very thread.
“It’s proven physics, my man. “
You’re the typical liberal type of liar: Take something real, then add your own claims that are not real.
EMP is proven to exist, but it’s affects are NOT proven as you claim them. It does not destroy all thing electronic and electrical as you claim. That’s the bold faced lie.
You Internet nerds make wild claims then try to puff up your own personas as “experts”.
“Still talking Internet nerd nonsense, I see.”
It’s just decades of research, including actual nuclear detonations, physics, modeling, and testing. You know, nerd nonsense.
“You’re the typical liberal type of liar:”
Of course you won’t find anything from me that you claim is a “lie”
“EMP is proven to exist”
Thank you gracious sir. You are coming around.
“but it’s affects are NOT proven as you claim them.”
It’s effects are exactly as I claim them to be.
” It does not destroy all thing electronic and electrical as you claim. That’s the bold faced lie.”
I never claimed this, so where is the lie from me?
So you probably familiar with compliance testing. Interesting that modern consumer electronic devices are now being tested for immunity. Not as thorough and as emissions but better than it used to be. Most of the designs have some level of immunity but are not perfect.
That is where a broadband “white” noise source like an emp would be ideal for finding the weaknesses of a design.
“That is where a broadband “white” noise source like an emp would be ideal for finding the weaknesses of a design.”
Best to find out a design has this weakness before it is in some operational system.
That’s what the military does with respect to EMP.
Actually, if you were to design an EMP device, why waste the energy on the visible band of em? Maybe the fact that it is visible is only incidental and the IR and UV bands that might affect electronics are on either side of the visible band. There is xray, microwave, etc. (smaller wavelengths) and as you know the sensitivity of a circuit is based on geometries (physical loop area), distance, amplitude.
There are two levels of compliance — recovery and non-recovery. Overwhelming a circuit to cause the device to reset and reboot (if it has the smarts to recover), and actual damage.
Not good if my driverless car is cruising down the highway at 70 mph and the processor has to reboot vs is fried. Moot either way because you'd be dead.
“You Internet nerds make wild claims then try to puff up your own personas as “experts”.”
Friend, you’re the one on the thread claiming “I know, you don’t” to folks. You claim to be an expert, but you are the exact opposite of an expert.
I’m just passing along actual facts and information.
Like this:
http://ece-research.unm.edu/summa/notes/TheoreticalPDFs/TN368.pdf
I’ve sent this to you before. You obviously never read it, but should someone actually wish to learn something about the physics and the effects of an EMP, they could read this paper and start to understand.
No, a nuclear detonation is hot, energetic, and obvious. It’s signature is simply impossible to hide because it’s so significant.
“Material costs and lives are not comparable.”
If done correctly the long term results of an EMP would be national economic collapse and starvation, disease for far more people than would be killed in a targeted blast aimed at a high population center.
And I understand the interactions of devices. I have spent many many hours (weeks and months) in an OATS (Google it) and understand very well how devices interfere with each other... and the solutions for preventing the interaction.
Wifi is a marvel and very impressive. But it too is vulnerable. Just that your average user can't see it — the number of dropped packets and retries and resends or error corrections. The fact that the average user doesn't see it is a marvel in itself. The only thing visible might be that it slows down. Not that familiar with the wifi protocol but it is probably like Ethernet — there is some level of error detection and if an error is detected the target (recipient) asks that the packet is resent.
PS. OATS — open area test site for EMC (electro-magnetic-compatibility).
Yeah, NC has been peaceable for over 150 years. No need for such anger.
The ignorance is yours -- I think it was on this thread that you likened EMP to lightning.
There are many differences: which were covered in earlier threads.
For the lurkers,
Look at pages 6 and 11 of this.
The visible (slightly outside) spectrum might only heat your skin but it is the other stuff that will cause your electronics to fail.
Not unlike the recent solar eclipse — it isn't the visible light that can fry the retina, it is the stuff that you can't see that can blind you.
“But an emp blast is not.”
THis is true....but to generate an EMP electromagnetic field you need to start with gamma rays that come from a nuclear detonation.
You can’t hide the nuclear detonation.
I think you are confusing a nuclear EMP with a “non-nuclear” EMP - or “Intentional Electromagnetic Interference” (IEMI).
IEMI is a localized event caused by a specific device.
You CAN conceal an electronic device that can generate a signficant, even damaging electromagnetic pulse - but it won’t be widespread.
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