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I've looked into the EMP thread and think it's a little overblown. For one thing, a detonation at 100km would expose a circular region of radius 1,120 kilometers on the earth’s surface to the pulse. That would only cover a limited portion of the US, and they couldn't "blanket" the US with EMP bombs because the first one they detonate would pre-ionize the atmosphere and prevent another effective EMP for up to an hour.

Also, it's simply not known how severe the damage to large power station transformers would be. That's the most serious concern since those transformers are custom built for power plants and take on average 4 years to rebuild. Very powerful EMPs were tested near Kakzhastan and Hawaii in the early 60s, and there was no significant damage to power stations in Hawaii and only moderate and temporary damage in Kazhakstan.

1 posted on 09/06/2017 11:51:36 AM PDT by TroutGuy
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We should ‘revive’ our Neutron Bomb from the 70’s......................


2 posted on 09/06/2017 11:54:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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Would be pleased if you are right.

You are the only person I’ve seen suggesting not nearly the harm from these devices as has been suggested.


3 posted on 09/06/2017 11:54:58 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (One man's DACA, is 330 million other men's caca.)
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This should be named their “Suicide Bomb!”


4 posted on 09/06/2017 11:56:00 AM PDT by Renegade ( Wax)
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5 posted on 09/06/2017 11:58:39 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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Just finished reading ‘One Second After’....pretty scary stuff guys; I hope you are right ‘fishy’


6 posted on 09/06/2017 11:59:47 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington D.C. has become the enemy of free people everywhere!)
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I'll take your word for the estimated coverage area for a nuke fired at 100KM but you seem to think that only power grids would be involved.

Every single bit of modern electronics would potentially be damaged: all TVs, radios, car and truck ignition systems, telephones, and pretty well everything else. Without working transportation, food can't be distributed and without power, most food can't be preserved for any length of time.

EMPs eat solid state circuits. The NKs know that an EMP would be a crippling, humiliating blow. Our military stuff is designed to withstand an EMP but the civilian infrastructure is not.

8 posted on 09/06/2017 12:03:54 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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I think the Norks are aware of the Soviet Project K EMP tests done in October 1962. The Russians actually found out far more about the effects from EMP from those tests than the American Starfish Prime test, because the Russians actually built a test range with both above and below-ground power lines and detonated a 300 KT nuclear bomb over it at an altitude around 160 KM (99 miles). The EMP resulted in blowing out of every protection fuse system on those electrical lines and even shut down a nearby electrical generation plant.
10 posted on 09/06/2017 12:06:03 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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Even such a “limited” EMP impact would be devastating. Consider the consequences of even just, say, NYC or SF or Seattle being completely shut down indefinitely - that’s, say, 10 million people with no transportation & limited supplies, all major internet data traffic thru there shut down, extensive power grid damage, etc. National resources would be devoted to recovering & re-routing around the problems. Maybe not TEOTWAKI, but that doesn’t make it trivial.

The problem with comparing 1960s era consequences is electronics of the time were relatively very robust (and still suffered lots of problems from EMP). Wouldn’t take much to destroy all the electronics you rely on daily now.


13 posted on 09/06/2017 12:12:46 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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A couple of comments:

1) Asymmetric warfare: NK is practically immune to EMP itself because its infrastructure is so limited and backwards, as shown by the space photographs of NK at night. Virtually no lights.

2) The grid is a problem whose immunity I don’t know about.

Device immunity may be much different. I can tell you that even at the commercial level, EMC hardening must have a major protective effect against EMP. Hardening equipment to electrostatic discharge (ESD), and to various other radiated and powerline conducted electromagnetic insults is mandated by various international standards and is common practice.


17 posted on 09/06/2017 12:20:52 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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Just so long as it is made clear that if we get an emp attack then Beijing will be hit as well.


21 posted on 09/06/2017 12:27:18 PM PDT by McCarthysGhost
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4Ltr


25 posted on 09/06/2017 12:30:57 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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This guy is calm, educated and prepared...Might want to listen to him and give your thoughts.

30-minute Interview 2 or 3 minutes in with Arthur T. Bradley.

Who is he?

1. He works for NASA
2. He has PhD in Electrical Engineering
3. HE IS CERTIFIED EMI/EMC and works with electromagnetics—his most important credential in his opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEaMlGfvYfQ

Indicates a percentage of these would be damaged...Not all but would/could create chaos.

EMP Commission Report has best DATA in his opinion. Biggest effect to nation electric grid mentioned

Fast rise time on the pulse affects small electronics.

Cars not all affected...

EMP is a “Line of Sight” event...in theory if detonated at couple hundred miles up above source region, could take out 70%


32 posted on 09/06/2017 12:50:30 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Freeper formerly known as bushwon ;))
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38 posted on 09/06/2017 1:03:34 PM PDT by Slyfox (Are you tired of winning yet?)
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Nork1 Nork2
In case any of you would like to track the Nork sats.
43 posted on 09/06/2017 1:25:08 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (It's gonna be bloody.)
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By golly, it seems to have worked!!! Lights are out all over North Korea, except that one guy that has batteries for his flashlight:


44 posted on 09/06/2017 1:32:38 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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I assume the inverse square law still applies. Higher altitude = wider coverage = weaker effect — inversely proportional to the square of the distance...?


45 posted on 09/06/2017 1:42:59 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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the dems will probably hope the Koreans attempt this if only to stop Trumps tweets....ha!


49 posted on 09/06/2017 2:36:24 PM PDT by Dont tread and Live
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Hurricane Harvey was devastating. Irma will likely be even worse.

But both combined do not come close to the devastation caused by an EMP.

Read One Second After.

52 posted on 09/06/2017 2:55:35 PM PDT by upchuck (I speak my mind because it hurts to keep biting my tongue all the time.)
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If Kim detonated an EMP or several over the US would we retaliate with nukes? I’ll bet not.
Nukes would affect S Korea also, something we would be very reluctant to do.
Our best bet ,IMO, would be Neutron Bombs. If we have any .


53 posted on 09/06/2017 4:07:45 PM PDT by Vinnie
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Yeah but the difference between 1960’s level of dependency upon electronics and today is astronomical. Those same tests today would yield a vastly different outcome.


54 posted on 09/06/2017 5:47:57 PM PDT by tjd1454
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