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Marc Short: We Need a ‘Conversation’ About ‘Definition of a Wall’
Breitbart ^ | 16 Sep 2017 | John Binder

Posted on 09/17/2017 8:14:06 AM PDT by Cheerio

FULL TITLE: Former Koch Exec, Now White House Staffer, Marc Short: We Need a ‘Conversation’ About ‘Definition of a Wall’

During a segment on CNN, the former Koch brothers executive turned White House staffer Marc Short said that Americans needed to “have a serious conversation” about “what the definition of a wall is,” in regards to the U.S.-Mexico border wall that President Trump promised to build.

Short, who led the Never Trump movement inside the pro-mass immigration Koch brothers’ organizations, questioned what exactly a border wall would look like under the administration, while also pushing amnesty for nearly 800,000 illegal aliens shielded by the Obama-created Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

“I think that what the definition of a wall is, is something that we all need to have a serious conversation” about, White House legislative affairs director Marc Short said on CNN’s “The Situation Room.”

Short said, “in some cases,” it would be a kind of fencing.

“It is a myriad of different structures,” Short said.

Short went on to describe Trump’s reportedly newfound commitment to amnesty for illegal aliens, saying “He feels that these are 800,000 people who came to the United States, no fault of their own, who are productive and working in American society. He wants to find a solution for them.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; daca; deepstate; immigration; koch; trump
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To: Cheerio

A conversation, yeah. For some reason I’m reminded of Hillary’s bogus “listening tours”. At this point, perhaps like the president, I’m just waiting to hear their arguments.
Sure, a “conversation” that they never wanted to have over a wall—real border security—and deporting foreigners here illegally, taking our jobs, making our roads unsafe, muling in narcotics, draining our treasury and filling our prisons and jails.

Since 1986, when they promised President Reagan border security in exchange for a general amnesty—and it turned out, for a lot more illegals than they said would be pardoned—Short and others like him have done everything they could to sweep this conversation (on any subject but amnesty) under the rug.

Despite their vicious, pejorative names directed at us, most of us here are fairly reasonable and open minded; unfortunately we can’t say the same for them.
So they can give it their best shot as to why we should continue down this path of pardoning an endless stream of illegal “immigrants” and “refugees”; I use the scare marks because we’re trying to understand how they can use these dishonest terms, day after day, and act surprised when we stay angry.

So, yeah. A conversation. But an honest one. And this is final argument. So far it doesn’t look like anything new. The wall is a given, as president Trump promised: not a flimsy fence topped with sensors bought at Radio Shack close-out, because we can’t trust a thing they say on the subject of border security. We went down that road in 2006 with the Secure Fence act which turned out to be only a sop for their failed final push for another amnesty. As plaintiffs, if they they can’t carry their burden of proof, then their little darlings have to go home.

So let’s have the conversation Marc. The federal government has been busy these past 25 years, but not by doing its job; particularly these past eight years, it has stayed busy by breaking its own laws and blocking the states from protecting themselves from uninterrupted invasion.
We don’t have all day, we’ve got a border to secure and illegals to deport. Get on with it counselor.


21 posted on 09/17/2017 8:47:22 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: TheNext

What the Rich Donors, the Koch Brothers,
have around their Mansions. A Big Beautiful Wall.


22 posted on 09/17/2017 8:48:11 AM PDT by TheNext (Obamacare is KILLING GRANDMA!)
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To: JohnG45

Recommended by Cheap Labor Express VP Pence.


23 posted on 09/17/2017 8:48:39 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Cheerio
President Trump is still working on wall design. Believe it being done in place and there are now four in consideration. Not sure of this but think this is the last I heard.
24 posted on 09/17/2017 8:51:57 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: EliRoom8

Pence is a globalist, NOT America First. Any support for the wall and restrictions on illegals is likely to be superficial, at best


25 posted on 09/17/2017 9:32:28 AM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: TheNext
DEFINITION of a WALL What Rich Donors have around their Mansion! A Wall!

No definition needed - take a trip to WI to see the SPEAKER'S WALL

Paul Ryan Builds Border Fence Around His Mansion, Doesn’t Fund Border Fence in Omnibus




26 posted on 09/17/2017 9:33:55 AM PDT by Cheerio (#44, The unknown President)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

“When someone says “We need to have a conversation about.....”

That is a 100% fail-proof indicator that it is a conversation wo DON”T need to have.

Exception to your rule: We need to have a “conversation” about why Marc Short ( A former COCK BROS. exec) is a White House employee.


27 posted on 09/17/2017 10:15:19 AM PDT by vette6387 (LOCK HER UP! COMEY TOO.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
a big, beautiful physical obstruction to illegal aliens simply crossing over the border as they please. This is what was promised, this is what is expected.
28 posted on 09/17/2017 10:18:05 AM PDT by Cheerio (#44, The unknown President)
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To: Mears

If they were born here they are citizens. Period.
= = = = = = =

Of course YOU are 100% correct.

My ‘fingers’ got ahead of my think machine and what I was ‘attempting’ to say was if a child was brought here at a young age and all he/she/it EVER knew was English and American ways AND contributed to society etc etc etc, they may rate a ‘longer look’ BUT the parents should be dispatched immediately and if they have a problem leaving their chilluns, take them with you.

However if ALL aid etal were taken away from your illegal hind parts, you probably wouldn’t care as much what happens to your offspring now that they are not the gravy train they were.


29 posted on 09/17/2017 12:00:13 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)""If the earth were flat, cats would have pushed everything over the edge by now")
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To: Lurkinanloomin

If TRUE - more failing.


30 posted on 09/17/2017 1:42:55 PM PDT by SaraJohnson ( Whites must sue for racism. It's pay day.)
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To: xrmusn

They all speak Spanish.


31 posted on 09/17/2017 1:50:03 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

They all speak Spanish.
= = = = = = = = =
I would venture to say not ALL of them but....

If parents bring their 3 year olds to this country and in 15 years the now 18 year old doesn’t speak FLAWLESS (well, acceptable American) English, ‘hit the road jack’

I remember growing up with a classmate whose grandparents lived in the house next to his parents and while Italian was the MAIN language in the GP (they most always spoke ‘English’ ‘when outsiders’ were around) but virtually no Italian in his parents house.

He and his brothers & sisters spoke excellent English and were good students (HIS parents made that their project) there was no doubt in the fact that my buddy was ‘very’ Italian.

He married a light haired woman and his grandkids are about the same shade as mine


32 posted on 09/17/2017 3:02:44 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)""If the earth were flat, cats would have pushed everything over the edge by now")
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To: Cheerio

Old news. Trump said during the Election there would be different structures.


33 posted on 09/17/2017 3:03:54 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: xrmusn

When the parents don’t speak English, the kids have to speak Spanish.

The Italian immigrant story is not the same as the southern invasion.


34 posted on 09/17/2017 3:07:38 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

True...just ‘pointing out’ the difference between then and now....

Parents back then ‘cared’ OR they were ‘made to care’ as part of the deal of relocating.

They ‘show up’ today with their hand out....

I sort of think it would have never have crossed my buddys mind to EVER bring an Italian Flag out as a form of protest.

Of course almost the entire Class of ‘57 did a couple of years for Unka Sugah before going on with life.

Small town USA, just the way it was.

Baseball, Hot Dogs & Apple Pie, salute the Flag and serve your country...

Immigrant mothers/fathers of the 50s:

YOU ARE AN AMERICAN— ACT LIKE ONE, BE GLAD YOU ARE HERE.


35 posted on 09/17/2017 3:57:22 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)""If the earth were flat, cats would have pushed everything over the edge by now")
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To: Cheerio
"No I do not want to depend on border guards, blimps, drones, sound sensing devices, radar, tv, etc as the sole border protection."

A bare wall by itself is useless. Without active routine patrolling, it will quickly be climbed or tunneled under. I am very much in favor of a physical wall where appropriate, but there are places where that is not the best solution.

36 posted on 09/17/2017 4:39:43 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog
....Without active routine patrolling,....

Then plan on the Congress NOT funding such active patrolling in future years and just accept we have no practical border - all are welcome. As for scaling and climbing over....other nations don't wince at such a thought.



With the attitudes of the current generation America could never have built the Transcontinental Railroad.
37 posted on 09/18/2017 8:21:04 AM PDT by Cheerio (#44, The unknown President)
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To: Cheerio
"As for scaling and climbing over....other nations don't wince at such a thought.

And where is the money coming from to man those guard posts??. Without guards, even a wall like that is scaled easily. And even if they ARE manned, without regular surveillance, tunneling just takes more time.

38 posted on 09/18/2017 9:11:41 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Cheerio
"...its frontiers are defended by twin fences peppered with watchtowers and patrolled by thousands of newly recruited border guards rather than a solid wall — which would have taken longer to construct.

From this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3586822/posts

99% reduction in illegal immigration.

39 posted on 09/18/2017 1:27:56 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Cheerio

A solid or semi-solid barrier that is difficult to climb over, tunnel under, go around or breach.


40 posted on 09/19/2017 5:45:15 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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