Posted on 10/07/2017 4:02:10 AM PDT by markomalley
Lol...just follow the money.
This is an example of the tunnel vision of the government bureaucrat.
The bump fire stock facilitates the use of the weapon in a rate of fire normally achievable only with a fully automatic weapon. That's why my opinion has always been that it ought to be considered a fully automatic weapon WHEN ATTACHED TO A RECEIVER.
Like it or not, for better or for worse.
Keep in mind this ruling was made during 0's administration, and think "Fast and Furious".
[Flame suit on.]
So maybe what this says is that the only chance anyone has of making Bump Fire Stocks illegal to own would be to declare it a toy and then, condemn it for being unsafe for children...
“Now, would it have made a difference if everyone at that concert had been armed? Fact: none whatsoever. That’s one of the reasons why it was chosen as a target. Fact: that group of God and Country lovin’ conservatives were fish in a barrel, twenty thousand plus strong in number, shoulder to shoulder in an open-air venue. Conjecture: they were collateral damage on the Globalist’s altar. Purpose: cause enough outrage at our vulnerability to cause/force a knee-jerk reaction - we’ve gotta do something!
For those of us that have been on the giving or receiving end of gunfire (and depending on our travels), another thing emerges from the available videos - the acoustic signature of not ONE, but seemingly THREE different caliber weapons and very nearly simultaneously! I anxiously await the surgeons and ME’s findings after their having dug slugs out of the living and the dead, but I think we’re going to find three different calibers- 5.56, 7.62 X 51 and 7.62 X 39. A couple of my associates are of the same opinion. I would like to say - the truth will out...but given how things have progressed (or sadly, have not); I’m gonna hafta go with BOHICA. In the advancement of sinister agendas; Truth is the first casualty.
Yes, a number of weapons were photographed in this dead Hillary lovers suite on the 32nd floor, but that doesn’t explain the muzzle flashes and synchronized reports coming from the 4th floor which were videotaped by a cabbie who was directly in front of the hotel, by several concert goers at the venue, and which were also reported by police.”
Oathkeeprs article excerpt
I’m not enough of an expert to have a reliable opinion on what to me is the most important question about the technical side of the event.
Could one shooter, armed as he was with multiple weapons, but using only one at a time, from his range and elevation, achieve 600 or so hits on human-sized targets in the time allotted, and how many misses would be expected to achieve that many hits?
Accounts of combat with full-auto .556 and especially 7.62x51 have frequently emphasized the difficulty of accurate aim and muzzle control.
If all that was involved was spray and pray, it does seem like an awful lot of hits at that range.
It’s hard for me to believe that the answer is “yes”, but I would love to hear from many of the real experts we have here.
Not money... CYA is the motive for this ststement.
You’re a funny guy.
Over the years, I have witnessed a few handgunners whose shooting technique caused a particular handgun/ammunition combination to "Maxim." I had a nodding acquaintance with a man who owned a match-grade, semi-automatic pistol with which he had to be very deliberate in order to prevent firing a couple of rounds with "one" pull of the trigger, though there was nothing wrong with the firearm that was apparent to the eye. He asked a few of us to try and duplicate the problem, and none of us could get the gun to act up (IIRC, it only happened to him if there were a certain number of rounds in the magazine). Of course, off the pistol went to the manufacturer, and as far as I know, it worked fine for him afterward... I suspect that there wasn't ever anything wrong with it at all, other than that he and the pistol were a bad combination because of some (not so) simple physics.
Mr. niteowl77
Some other ‘expert’ elsewhere claimed that using the belt off your pants could achieve the same effect as these devises. If true, then what (other than a creeping liberal anti-gun victory) does banning them do?
Which is why supporting a ban will result in a ban on all semi autos.
Anyone who does not see this is a fool. Including the NRA.
When you have a large field full of 21,000 people all packed in close together, it is more than entirely possible to do so. 7.62x51 (for example) has been known to pass through multiple people at the 400 yard range unless it encounters an anatomical structure that disrupts its flight. 5.56x45 can do it too, but it’s less common as the projectile tends to be a bit easier to upset.
“The National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. 5845(b) defines machine gun to include any combination of
parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon to shoot automatically more than one shot,
without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.”
Note the words “single function of the trigger”.
The bump stock facilitates rapid multiple funtions of the trigger so by the NFA definition does not make a firearm into a machine gun.
The NRA’s strategy of punting the bump stock issue to ATF has obviously failed. Now the NRA finds themselves in a position of having conceded to congress that gun control is ok and for nothing.
They’ve opened the door to a full semi auto ban in the near future. I have never witnessed a greater strategic political failure in my entire life.
Yes, exactly, and thank you for seeing my point. Just like every other fully automatic weapon that's ever been made or imagined since John Moses Browning increases the rate of fire using physics. That's the point of it, isn't it?
"Talk of restricting them is laughable because you can replicate the function of it by using your finger like the guy in the link above. "
That argument undermines itself. You first concede that the bump stock is a mechanism that increases the rate of fire "using physics", then you assert that a semiauto weapon can "replicate" that same accelerated rate of fire if the person operating it just uses their finger the right way.
So we've gone from what, let's say a fully automatic M16, to an AR15 equipped with a bump stock doing close to the same rate of fire "using physics", to some guileless dude in a "look at me!" video demonstrating that he can whup that trigger at about the same rate of fire, and they're really all the same thing. (That guy was a drummer when he was in the band and he had a really excellent single-stroke roll.) Never mind that he can't hit anything doing that.
"The other side" will to use this kind of reasoning against us, all under the rubric of existing law. They'll say that really they're all the same thing, a case that you just built for them, and they'll go for a ban on all semiauto firearms.
Now if you'd rather talk about the wisdom of the NFA of 1934 in general, or the 1968 law for that matter, that's fine with me.
It seems to me that you would expect more than 58 dead with a total of better than 525 "wounded". The number of deaths compared to the number of wounded doesn't sound right compared to other shootings.
I suspect that the media is counting any injury among the audience as "wounded".
They sure are dragging their feet releasing information on this one.
It looks to me as though the NRA has just got the ATF to sign off on the stock again.
Not even democrats are talking about semi auto bans.
The ATF is not congress. The NRA just dulled the lefts gun grab with this.
Here's a link to how CNN is realizing what just happened...
You don’t need to have this attachment to speed trigger action. A simple belt loop can do the same thing. This is just a catch phrase that the idiot media and Democrats have latched on to beat up the NRA. It was Obama’s ATF that approved the bump stock, and Republicans ought to repeat that every time it’s brought up.
Full auto fire from a hand held weapon is notoriously inaccurate. But, this guy had apparently mounted these weapons on tripods, which would make them far more effective, particularly against an area target like a mass of concert attendees.
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