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Rick Perry's vision of hot tub-sized nuclear power plants isn't so far-fetched
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | John Siciliano

Posted on 10/09/2017 5:38:11 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Energy Secretary Rick Perry has a vision for developing fully mobile, hot tub-sized nuclear power plants that could become the latest piece in the Energy Department's innovation and grid resiliency push.

Perry brought up the idea while addressing a National Clean Energy Week conference late last month. He used it as an example of what the Trump administration means when it talks about energy "innovation" as part of its energy dominance agenda.

Perry called them "small modular reactors." But the version of the technology he described would function more like a nuclear battery than a conventional, water-cooled nuclear power plant.

He envisioned them being used for hurricane relief in Puerto Rico. The nuclear batteries would be piled into the cargo hold of a C-130 military transport plane, the kind Perry used to fly in the Air Force, and flown to the disaster zone to re-energize the island's wiped-out grid, he explained.

The situation in Puerto Rico is "maybe one of the most tragic events in history," Perry said. "We are trying to get micro-generators down there," but if small modular reactors were available, they "could serve tens of thousands" and even more "very quickly."

When he delivered the speech, nearly all 1.6 million electricity customers in Puerto Rico were without electricity. Perry's agency is working with the Federal Emergency Management Agency on power restoration.

The idea of portable, small nuclear power plants is not new. It's an idea that came from the lobbying and consulting playbook of William C. Anderson, former President George W. Bush's assistant secretary of the Air Force for installations.

Anderson was a big proponent of making military bases self-sustaining, while looking for advanced power plant technology that would reduce the need for tactically vulnerable diesel supply chains in places such as Iraq.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: energy; nuclear; nuclearpower; rickperry; texas; third100days; trumpcabinet; trumpenergy
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To: RoosterRedux

They work safely and well in submarines, under the control of 18-24 year old techs, supervised by 25-30 year old officers. Sounds like a workable system to me.


21 posted on 10/09/2017 6:42:55 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Thorium.


22 posted on 10/09/2017 6:42:58 AM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: Chickensoup

Check out ‘HOLTEC’ in Camden NJ


23 posted on 10/09/2017 6:44:39 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: RoosterRedux
Cool! Where can I get me one with auto-Chlorine, captains chairs, and 8 stainless steel jets?


24 posted on 10/09/2017 6:47:10 AM PDT by C210N (It is easier to fool the people than convince them that they have been fooled)
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To: JohnnyP

Thorium is such high temperature (molten salt, think about how hot that has to be) is already at thermal run away

I am all for thorium when it’s ready but material Science has a ways to go for a commercially sustainable reactor. We have decades of experience with uranium fission that could be leveraged right now.


25 posted on 10/09/2017 6:50:41 AM PDT by infool7 (Pray, Think, Pray, Act, Pray Pray Pray...)
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To: Paladin2

Where is that one?


26 posted on 10/09/2017 7:04:20 AM PDT by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth. It gave no one a brain.)
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To: alloysteel

Mostly not true.

The “thorium cycle” is actually a uranium cycle, just a different uranium isotope. Thorium is mostly Th-232 (non radioactive). Neutrons convert Th-232 into U-233, which IS fissile, and which CAN be made into bombs. It is just much more difficult to isolate the fissile uranium from the fertile thorium due to the much higher level or radiation involved. IIRC, U-233 is highly gamma radioactive. Plutonium is not.

Thorium is being sold as an energy panacea.....it isn’t.

(Note....I am all in favor of fission power, even using current technology, but believe in being accurate about what is possible.)


27 posted on 10/09/2017 7:07:45 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: norwaypinesavage

“Nuclear electricity,” thats pretty silly. I think we all know better now but, how do we deal with all the giant ants and 50 foot women?


28 posted on 10/09/2017 7:18:52 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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To: null and void

I assume it is still on the moon.


29 posted on 10/09/2017 7:21:33 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: gnarledmaw
Track down every colony and "burn them, burn them all!"


30 posted on 10/09/2017 7:26:36 AM PDT by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth. It gave no one a brain.)
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To: Paladin2

Ah. The dust looked wind swept. It must have been close enough to the LEM take off to disturb the regolith.


31 posted on 10/09/2017 7:28:32 AM PDT by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth. It gave no one a brain.)
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To: RoosterRedux

A small nuke reactor is a very good idea with just one down side. Terrorists, terrorists would just love to get their hands on the fuel and make some really nasty bombs. Should start using lots of small nuke reactors like the one described in this article terrorists will acquired fuel from some of them and results will not be pretty.


32 posted on 10/09/2017 7:42:05 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: JimRed
They work safely and well in submarines, under the control of 18-24 year old techs, supervised by 25-30 year old officers. Sounds like a workable system to me.

It's only workable while under military guard.

The nuclear reactors in submarines use highly enriched (96% U-235) uranium. I.e. weapons grade. This is fine as long as it's under military guard, but is not something you could leave unguarded.

33 posted on 10/09/2017 7:46:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PapaBear3625
The nuclear reactors in submarines use highly enriched (96% U-235) uranium. I.e. weapons grade. This is fine as long as it's under military guard, but is not something you could leave unguarded.

I was talking about the concept of small reactors, not the specific type.

34 posted on 10/09/2017 8:01:47 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: RoosterRedux

You mean something like this?

https://atomicinsights.com/ml1-mobile-power-system-reactor-box/


35 posted on 10/09/2017 8:07:32 AM PDT by nuke_road_warrior (Making the world safe for nuclear power for over 20 years)
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To: null and void

The Moon is a harsh mistress.


36 posted on 10/09/2017 8:19:26 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: Chickensoup
"there is a compay in Texas pioneering small reactors. Underground power, can power a small city for up to 20 years. For peanuts. Replace and Remove every 20 years. Great technology and would remove the grid from being a national issue."

Now you have a hot tub full of seething radioactivity - lethally radioactive for the next 50 to 100 human generations.

So what does one do with the radioactive trash? Have the taxpayers foot the bill for disposal?

If the **ratepayers** had to foot the bill for the entire fuel cycle, the only nuke plants that would exists would be military - for power or for weapons.

Until the multiple issues of how to safely dispose of the nuke trash is resolved, I have to be a non-supporter.
This, if for no other reason, than to *not* leave a mess behind for my grandkids......

37 posted on 10/09/2017 8:27:11 AM PDT by ASOC (If you're forced to give a man a fish, he eats one day. Deport him and you'll never feed him again.)
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To: Paladin2

Indeed she is. You have to tow the (Hein)lein exactly to survive...


38 posted on 10/09/2017 9:23:51 AM PDT by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth. It gave no one a brain.)
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To: Renegade

doesn’t Voyager have one ? (small nuclear power generator)


39 posted on 10/09/2017 9:29:35 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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To: RoosterRedux

I thought I had read somewhere that Sweden or one of those other places with remote mountain villages already has something like this?


40 posted on 10/09/2017 9:30:24 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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