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The flight of the Vampire: Fascinating history of Britain's most iconic WWII fighter jet
UK Daily Mail ^ | 10/29/2017 | Rod Ardehali

Posted on 10/29/2017 4:13:03 PM PDT by DFG

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To: DoodleDawg
Durham Cathedral

Thanks.

21 posted on 10/29/2017 5:03:42 PM PDT by libertylover (Kurt Schlicter: "They wonder why they got Trump. They are why they got Trump")
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To: PAR35

The Spitfire was not a jet.


22 posted on 10/29/2017 5:04:53 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Whatever is good in me is thanks to my faith and my family.)
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To: clintonh8r

And the Vampire wasn’t a World War II fighter. Gloster Meteor wasn’t exactly iconic, so perhaps the story is about nothing.


23 posted on 10/29/2017 5:14:13 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
I doubt the writer knows what “iconic” means. The only iconic British fighter was the mainstay of The Battle of Britain, the Spitfire, as has been noted above. Iconic has nothing to do with being jet powered.
24 posted on 10/29/2017 5:27:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Chainmail

///I don’t know; the Me-262 was faster and had heavier armament. The engines were dodgy but when they were running, it was fast and nimble.///

Yeah, it’s hard to know. Edge to ME-262 for sure. The specs for the vampire show it has a better power to weight ratio and top speed with it’s straight wing is only 15-mph or so slower than the swept-wing 262. But actual operational speeds, as we know from every other WWII fighter, could be very much different. Also, “dog-fighting” was changing with the jet wars, and any maneuverability advantage the Vampire may have had (if any) might have been unimportant.

It’s probably telling, that future jets resembled the 262 rather than the Vampire. (Chance-Vought Cutlass, anyone?)


25 posted on 10/29/2017 5:31:45 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: Snickering Hound

I am amazed to learn that the P-80 was operational before the end of WWII.

At least those guys didn’t get pasted by Vesuvius like the B-25’s when the volcano corked off a year earlier in 1944. Airborne ash is fierce stuff.


26 posted on 10/29/2017 5:50:35 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Chainmail
I don’t know; the Me-262 was faster and had heavier armament.

Faster yes, because of the narrow chord wings, but in a knife fight you'd want the manouverabilty of the Meteor's broad chord ones.

And heavier shells, but the 262's 30mm guns were slow firing and low velocity, and tended to jam under hard turns. OK for bomber killing, but one on one the Meteor's 20mm are faster firing and higher velocity.

27 posted on 10/29/2017 5:53:04 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (don't forget to mouse your sisterhooks)
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To: Crucial
I always like the Mosquito, which was made by the same company. It was made of wood and was really fast. The British used it as a fighter, bomber, Recon and a pathfinder.
28 posted on 10/29/2017 6:13:35 PM PDT by peeps36 (Obama = the skidmark on America's underwear)
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To: DFG

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pM2n49OY2XQ/maxresdefault.jpg

The Gloster Meteor actually saw service in ww2....


29 posted on 10/29/2017 6:24:39 PM PDT by albertabound
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To: raygunfan; Larry Lucido; Gamecock; KC_Lion; FredZarguna; PROCON

[so perhaps the story is about nothing.]

Need a show about nothing.

Nothing happens. You read on TV.

What did you do today?

I got up. I came to work.

There ya go. That’s a show.


30 posted on 10/29/2017 8:42:45 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: rdcbn

Don’t forget the F80 Shooting Star and the German M262 (which saw combat).


31 posted on 10/30/2017 12:22:50 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: elcid1970

As far as I have read, the F80s did not see combat though they were flying as early as 1943. Would love to know if anyone has information on them being used in aerial or ground support combat.

I met the American flier who shot down two M262’s. Believe his name was George Drew. You can see one of his strafing runs in the film that shows a French/German ammo train blowing up from his hits as he flies into the blasts.


32 posted on 10/30/2017 12:26:24 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Dick Bong died in an F-80


33 posted on 10/30/2017 2:18:44 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse (America First !)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Actually, the Hawker Hurricane was the mainstay of the Battle of Britain. Spitfires were still in relatively short supply. Very important, but most of the German losses were to Hurricanes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_of_the_Battle_of_Britain


34 posted on 10/30/2017 2:21:26 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: LeoWindhorse

I visited the Bong Museum in Superior, WI, a few years ago. Worthwhile. Nice P-38 on display. Plus it’s fun watching people’s reactions when you tell them you’ve been to the Bong Museum.


35 posted on 10/30/2017 2:24:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: DFG

Looks a bit like the Lockheed Lightning.


36 posted on 10/30/2017 2:34:40 AM PDT by Hacksaw (Support Alt-Tech: Gab.ai, Infogalactic.com, Brave browser)
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To: FreedomPoster

I know his nephew . Total Liberal progressive bisexual jerk . His uncle would throw up.


37 posted on 10/30/2017 4:14:59 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse (America First !)
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To: LeoWindhorse

The Leftist tilt in that area is strong, is my impression, if he’s there. Old school upper Midwest labor Leftism plus a big university is a recipe for Dem dominance.


38 posted on 10/30/2017 5:02:05 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: DFG
One of my favorites, the Caproni Campini N.1:

First flight 27 August 1940. Couldn't get out of its own way, but it was cool.

39 posted on 10/30/2017 5:28:57 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: PLMerite
It wasn't a turbojet. Conventional reciprocating engine drove the compressor. Fuel burned in compressed air and exhausted as a jet. Technological dead end, but still impressive.
40 posted on 10/30/2017 7:27:24 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney
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