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The Disappearing American Grad Student
New York Times ^ | November 3, 2017 | NICK WINGFIELD

Posted on 11/06/2017 7:59:55 AM PST by Governor Dinwiddie

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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Back when I went to school (60s) foreign governments sent their brightest student to USA because there were no better colleges than those here. Many of those students chose to remain in the USA because of $$$$ salaries. Since then I think many US student choose law and medical degrees for the same reason....$$$$$$. STEM degrees require as much hard work and not nearly competitive salaries.


21 posted on 11/06/2017 8:28:25 AM PST by antidemoncrat
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To: EC Washington
Graduate Engineering Programs at The Ohio State University and Purdue are almost 100% Chinese - Foreign Students pay full tuition - it is a profit center for the schools.

Absolutely true. I know Chinese kids whose parents have mortgaged their homes (and grandparent's homes) in China to collect the $150-$200K or more to afford this. I know some of these people will stay in the USA, others will return to their home countries. If you think "globalism" is hitting the USA, its affecting places like India and China much more. In both places, having foreign experience is critical for a resume and these returnees are viewed as smarter and more sophisticated. Moreover, these people look to the USA for education because it is the most open education system in the world. If they want to work for a corporation or tech company in Mumbai, having a US Degree is by far the first choice.

22 posted on 11/06/2017 8:30:45 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

I went to graduate school back in the 90s, and I was the only American grad student in the department, to the best of my recollection.

For that matter, when I was an undergrad back in the 70s, I worked with three post-docs in a chemistry lab and then in the engineering lab. Even back then, two out of the three were from other countries.


23 posted on 11/06/2017 8:32:16 AM PST by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: Huntress

"What is financial engineering?"

Probably a Soros thing...........

24 posted on 11/06/2017 8:35:25 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Universities are the arsenals of cultural destruction. In that they are resembling Mosques.


25 posted on 11/06/2017 8:36:44 AM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: yoe
#19:
"foreign grad students entered the country legally; got an excellent education in their countries rather than the pap taught in our public schools grade one through college."

You make a great point. Foreign K-12 is focused on straight math, science, and language. I pity, absolutely pity, American school children with the useless crap that is packed into their heads. Truthfully, the most useful skills to be taught to youngsters in readin', writin' and 'rithmetic. Most of the poor public school youngster's day is packed with propoganda and brainwashing.

And it only gets worse at the college level. STEM takes a lot of work. Foreign countries don't saddle their engineers with unrelated propoganda "core" courses designed to idelogically indocrinate. American undergrad students are forced to take courses on "divirsity' and other useless ephemera.


 

26 posted on 11/06/2017 8:38:48 AM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: rbg81
"If you are an American in a STEM field and a full time Grad student, you should get paid to go. If you are paying, then you are doing something very, very wrong."

We were pleasantly surprised at the financial package our son received for his graduate studies. He earned a BSE and has gone on to a PhD program in Physics. He has a full tuition stipend, signing bonus, and will earn enough through assistantships that he anticipates coming out of grad school pretty much revenue neutral. He's in a great location for outdoor sports that he enjoys and even with the cost of some of those activities and high rent in the area, he should be OK financially. When he first started talking about his plans I thought he'd be taking on loans or drawing down his savings, but it doesn't seem so.

27 posted on 11/06/2017 8:38:54 AM PST by Think free or die
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
Both parents of Bobby Jindal and Kamala Harris were foreign graduate students in the United States.

In Jindal's case, his mother was already pregnant when she came here.

In Harris' case, her parents married after graduating and had a baby a year later.

-PJ

28 posted on 11/06/2017 8:43:42 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Huntress
What is financial engineering?

Marxism.

29 posted on 11/06/2017 8:43:44 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: rbg81
Very true. I was paid the entire way through grad school because being American I could speak english fluently and teach several courses along the way. Many of the foreign students could barely speak more than a handful of words in english their first few years here, and the ones who knew english well could barely be understood. It would be like me trying to speak fluent mandarin.
30 posted on 11/06/2017 8:44:23 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

American universities prioritize foreign students over American students.


31 posted on 11/06/2017 8:45:42 AM PST by Architect of Avalon
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

The AMERICAN graduate student is being replaced by foreigners. This has been going on for a long time.


32 posted on 11/06/2017 8:46:02 AM PST by plain talk
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To: OldMissileer

Nothing new about this. Been that way at least since the ‘70s. Had a good friend that was awarded a Teaching Assistant Scholarship. Shortly before the term started, he was called in and asked to relinquish it so that it could be given to “a more deserving foreign student”.

He refused, but they saw to it that he only lasted one year.


33 posted on 11/06/2017 8:48:58 AM PST by catman67 (14 gauge?)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

I received an NIH pre-doctoral and later post-doctoral fellowship for Medicinal Chemistry graduate studies. These were not offered to foreign graduate students.


34 posted on 11/06/2017 8:51:51 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Huskrrrr

The Shah of Iran sent gobs of students here on scholarship. Led to his downfall. The women were beautiful.


35 posted on 11/06/2017 9:17:23 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Alberta's Child

In the oil and gas industry an engineer with an MBA is management material.


36 posted on 11/06/2017 9:32:11 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Huskrrrr

Had to work my way through because in my generation NSF and NIH fellowships were preferentially given to affirmative action students

One of the biggest reasons for the foreign dominance that graduate engineering has become a funded research business for professors so they preferentially recruit grad students who bring their own funding.

Most foreign students are fully funded by their home governments or some sponsoring organization. Hiring fully funded grad students extends research budgets and allows more summer consulting dollars for the PI.

Highly qualified American students with fellowships or industry funding get snapped up quickly, especially if the score high on diversity points.

However, the number of fellowships and scholarships is limited and the number of genuinely brilliant foreign students on foreign full rides is seemingly unlimited

We really need to figure out a way to better fund American grad level education so more high achieving Americans can attend grad school because short term it’s hard to justify on cost - benefit return on investment

In the long term though, it’s really bad for the countries future to have 80% of your advanced degree grads leaving to go home to help their country compete with the US and for the US to depend on foreign born, US educated expats for the majority of our advanced level technical talent

This is a very good reason to expand the H1B visa program to keep as many of these foreign students in the US after graduation in the short term, but we really need to figure out how to fund our next generation of US born advanced technical talent

As it is, US educated foreigners are making huge strides in transplanting US technical skills and education systems in their previously backwards home countries, as any review of research publications proves


37 posted on 11/06/2017 9:43:56 AM PST by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn
US educated foreigners are making huge strides in transplanting US technical skills and education systems in their previously backwards home countries, as any review of research publications proves

This is true. At some point, the STEM university faculty will be mostly foreign-born and, when offered enough salary and lab infrastructure, will go back home (likely Asia), taking that expertise with them.

In this way, US dominance in r&d will be lost.

38 posted on 11/06/2017 9:55:35 AM PST by bkopto
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To: Huntress

>>What is financial engineering?

Maybe it's like a cross between an ACORN farming sanitation "engineer"...

 

and an M.B.A....

M.ore B.ullshyte A.bove

Both seem to "engineer" pretty much the same thing these days.

39 posted on 11/06/2017 11:01:34 AM PST by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Masters in financial engineering?

The Nigerian kids must really go for this.


40 posted on 11/06/2017 11:53:51 AM PST by americas.best.days... ( Donald John Trump has pulled the sword from the stone.)
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