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Why There is Inaction on Gun Laws
Townhall.com ^ | November 8, 2017 | Jonah Goldberg,

Posted on 11/08/2017 10:47:08 AM PST by Kaslin

Among the many problems with the Great Gun Debate these days is that the pro-gun crowd wants to make it a culture-war battle and the anti-gun crowd wants to pretend that it isn't.

On public policy grounds, the pro-gun people have the better arguments. Firearm homicides have declined since the 1990s despite the loosening of gun laws.

Almost none of the remedies proposed in the wake of mass shootings would have actually prevented those crimes (though had so-called bump stocks been banned -- as they should be -- fewer would have died in the Las Vegas shooting last month).

Indeed, it's common in the aftermath of shootings to hear pundits and politicians call for the passage of laws that already exist. I've lost count of the number of times people have insisted that "machine guns" be banned -- they essentially already are. Others talk about banning "assault weapons" as if such a designation describes a specific kind of weapon. It doesn't. Nor would banning assault weapons, however defined, put much of a dent in the problem. Rifles of all kinds account for just 3 percent of the murder rate.

The slaughter at a Texas church on Sunday fits the pattern. Calls went out for background checks. But the shooter passed his; he just lied on the application. Some argued that people convicted of spousal abuse -- like the shooter -- should be barred from getting a gun. That's already federal law. (To be sure, such laws should be enforced better than the Trump administration seems inclined to do.)

More broadly, President Trump and a GOP-controlled Congress will not do anything significant to restrict gun rights in America. And the experience under President Obama, particularly in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting, demonstrates that even some Democrats don't want to move against their electoral self-interest.

Indeed, the main reason for inaction isn't the "stranglehold" of the National Rifle Association -- a relative piker when it comes to political spending -- but the fact that millions of gun owners are likely to vote on the gun issue, while millions of gun-control supporters are not. Also, a supermajority of Americans (76 percent to 23 percent, according to Gallup) do not want a ban on private gun ownership.

These facts probably help explain why the NRA has taken a dark turn of late, releasing ads that have virtually nothing to do with gun laws and everything to do with fueling cultural resentment. It's hard for a public policy lobbying outfit to keep membership dues flowing when they've already won.

Meanwhile, anti-gun campaigners cling to the belief that they are a cadre of dedicated pragmatists who merely seek sensible gun-control laws. No doubt there are some who fit this description. But given how the most vocal advocates of gun control tend to get basic facts wrong and have a history of praising countries such as Australia, which all but banned guns outright for normal citizens, it's easy to see why gun-rights supporters are suspicious about what their real goal is.

In 2015, the New York Times ran its first front-page editorial in 95 years to call for, in part, the confiscation of millions of guns. Last month, columnist Bret Stephens called for outright repeal of the Second Amendment.

The simple fact is that many elites in places such as New York and Los Angeles, regardless of ideology (Stephens is a conservative), just don't like guns or the culture of people who do. One can see this in the suddenly pervasive fad -- common in the pages of the New York Times and on Twitter -- of mocking people who offer "thoughts and prayers" for the victims of mass shootings if they don't also subscribe to sweeping new gun-control measures.

It's a useful thought experiment to ask what America would look like if the gun controllers started to rack up policy victories, confiscating guns from law-abiding gun owners. Aside from the massive financial windfall for the NRA, millions of Americans would have their darkest suspicions confirmed, and the deep resentment already felt in much of "red state" America would intensify beyond anything we've experienced lately.

Perhaps there would be fewer mass murders and other gun deaths -- though I'm skeptical. I'm sure our politics would be far uglier than they already are.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; left; nra; secondamendment; sutherland; texas
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1 posted on 11/08/2017 10:47:08 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Hey Jonah,

The right-to-bear-arms is an inalienable right granted by God and protected by the Constitution.

Quit trying to be in the middle-of-the-road. That’s a good way to end up as road-kill.


2 posted on 11/08/2017 10:53:40 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Kaslin
...(though had so-called bump stocks been banned -- as they should be -- fewer would have died in the Las Vegas shooting last month).

Bovine scatology.

3 posted on 11/08/2017 10:54:08 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Kaslin

...Why There is Inaction on Gun Laws...

Because the democrats final solution is total and 100% confiscation and 100% compliance. They will attempt this incrementally. They will accept no less.


4 posted on 11/08/2017 10:55:14 AM PST by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Or at least stay center-right.


5 posted on 11/08/2017 10:55:52 AM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Kaslin
The biggest reason why there is no political will for gun control legislation is that even many radical leftists are smart enough to know that they can never trust their own government to protect them. Even a simple argument for a measure like mandatory background checks is completely undermined when you see a case like the Texas massacre where the perpetrator passed a background check because the U.S. Air Force failed to document and report his criminal record.

The age-old phrase ... "A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged." ... always comes into play here.

6 posted on 11/08/2017 10:56:04 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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To: Kaslin

Do not be fooled by the left’s call for gun control. Do not buy into the assertion that the Left hates guns. The truth is, the left Loves guns. They just dont want YOU to have one.

Think about that.


7 posted on 11/08/2017 10:57:31 AM PST by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
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To: Sasparilla

Or at least force folks to hide their guns in secret places in their homes.


8 posted on 11/08/2017 10:58:13 AM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Kaslin
"It's a useful thought experiment to ask what America would look like if the gun controllers started to rack up policy victories, confiscating guns from law-abiding gun owners."

Goldberg seriously understates what the reaction to such an attempt would be among the 100 million+ gun owners in this country.

9 posted on 11/08/2017 10:58:16 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Kaslin

More and more people are realizing that if the logic of the gun prohibitionists actually worked, places like Vermont and Maine would be among the most violent places on earth and Chicago and Washington DC would be among the safest.


10 posted on 11/08/2017 11:00:58 AM PST by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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To: Kaslin

All enemies...foriegn or domestic.


11 posted on 11/08/2017 11:02:22 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Kaslin

Like Archie Bunker said, “Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?”


12 posted on 11/08/2017 11:04:42 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Kaslin

We need justice system reform.
It’s like a hanging fastball of a campaign issue too.


13 posted on 11/08/2017 11:07:19 AM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: Sasparilla

Because the democrats final solution is total and 100% confiscation and 100% compliance. They will attempt this incrementally. They will accept no less.

Then they want to eliminate 85% of the world population under agenda 21/2030 or what ever it is nowadays.


14 posted on 11/08/2017 11:11:15 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Kaslin

“It’s a useful thought experiment to ask what America would look like if the gun controllers started to rack up policy victories, confiscating guns from law-abiding gun owners. Aside from the massive financial windfall for the NRA, millions of Americans would have their darkest suspicions confirmed, and the deep resentment already felt in much of “red state” America would intensify beyond anything we’ve experienced lately.”

Thought experiment:

About 100,000,000 Americans own guns, legally & safely.
(Ya might notice that _none_ of them have harmed anyone.)
About 1% of them would absolutely refuse to comply with a confiscation.
That’s about 1,000,000 otherwise law-abiding citizens that would literally have to be murdered - using guns - to enforce a “no guns” law.
Were those somehow disarmed without incident, about 1% would literally hunt down & kill those implementing the confiscation.
Hence the direct result of a total & enforced ban would be more homicides than what is currently attributed to gun ownership.

In contrast, note that as gun ownership has spiked in recent years, related homicide rates have dropped in half.

And remember: it was gun control, via confiscation, that sparked the American Revolutionary War overthrowing the well-established government of the time.


15 posted on 11/08/2017 11:15:18 AM PST by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: Sasparilla
Because the democrats final solution is total and 100% confiscation and 100% compliance. They will attempt this incrementally. They will accept no less.

And what comes after is included in your statement.

16 posted on 11/08/2017 11:17:24 AM PST by Disambiguator (Keepin' it analog.)
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To: Kaslin

Ever notice how liberals scream bloody murder at the mention of the term “culture war”?

Because that’s exactly what they are waging against us, infused with a tone of ill-concealed condescension and contempt.

Gun rights supporters are “not our kind of people” and must be shunned, to the extent of banning their children from contact with children of liberals, in homes where guns are believed to be present.

Urban liberal culture is at war with what liberals call “flyover country” and has been where guns are concerned since the JFK assassination in 1963.

Any “pragmatism” on the part of liberals pushing gun control (people control) is aimed at disarming the populace making them easier to rule over.

But for us gun toting racist sexist homophobe islamophobic bigots, there’s a bright side: the sheer impotence of the Left when it comes to imposing their gungrabbing agenda or as they term it, “common sense Australian style gun safety reforms”.

Not going to happen. Where in their calls for gun control are specifics, such as repealing the Second Amendment or conducting door to door confiscation? And the cat’s out of the bag when they whine, “we register cars, why not guns?” followed by the laughable whopper “nobody wants to take away your guns, you yahoos!”

In Australia all guns are registered and the police know where they all are. Turn them in when directed to do so, or face hard time.

If Obama couldn’t make gun control happen, then it’s not going to. Culture war is the only weapon liberals have left but this does include the insidious strategy of reeducating the next generation to hate guns and the people who own them.


17 posted on 11/08/2017 11:17:44 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Kaslin

“This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.”
- St. George Tucker, Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

“A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined...”
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

“On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

“I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

“To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them.”
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

“Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.”
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.”
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves.”
- Thomas Paine, “Thoughts on Defensive War” in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

“The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

“The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.”
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

“For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.”
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.”
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

“As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.”
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789


18 posted on 11/08/2017 11:26:05 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434

Nice quotes Bob!


19 posted on 11/08/2017 11:32:45 AM PST by caver
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To: ctdonath2
"About 1% of them would absolutely refuse to comply with a confiscation."

I think that you might be way low on this.

After Sandy Hook, several states enacted mandatory registration laws.

Those laws were not very popular.

In fact, in both NY and CT, compliance was so sparse that the state just sort of let the whole thing go rather than admit that most of the gun owners in their states were de facto felons.

20 posted on 11/08/2017 11:38:28 AM PST by skimbell
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