Posted on 11/27/2017 1:32:14 PM PST by rogerantone1
There are simply too many targets for police to be able to guard everyone. And even when they are in the right place at the right time, an officer’s uniform is like a neon sign saying, “Shoot me first.”
It’s also not realistic to keep terrorists and criminals from getting weapons. The war on guns has been as much of a failure as the war on drugs. Terrorists can also resort to homemade bombs, and have lately made a habit of using vehicles as weapons.
What happens when background checks on gun purchases inevitably fail to stop these killers from attacking? What is the backup plan?
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Second it.
Hey Catholics -— this ought to be the
norm for the Knights of Columbus.
What are the chances?
I do every Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday & Saturday.
Many already are...just saying.
I don’t tell anyone there, but I carry to church (and pretty much everywhere else).
According to Michigan research “Meekhof said 98 percent of mass shootings happen in gun free zones, and his legislation would help........”
How often do you hear that statistic?
bkmk
I’m a woman. I carry everywhere. Ev. Rey. Where. Whether there’s a sign or not. Ignore ignore ignore. If there’s a a scanner, then I don’t go.
If you plan to carry at church, for your fellow parishioners’ sake please get training.
What’s needed is a security “team: in the parking lot, a team to guard the doors. Others should take strategic positions so they can effectively engage any threats that make it past the first lines of defense.
What isn’t needed is some untrained idiot sitting in the midst of the congregation drawing his weapon and “start returning fire” thinking he’s going to effective. I don’t want to be anywhere near such dangerously stupid people.
It’s better for an effective few to be armed.
Was that a 2A pun?
I would take it a step farther...If you plan to carry please get training. Utah issues a CCW permit recognized in like 26 states for taking a 4 hour lecture class without even dry holster practice, much less firing a shot. I have one but I have enough sense to be professionally trained in defensive shooting from a holster and to practice regularly. Even the states that require shooting only require a bare minimum. You can be legal with CCW without being competent or qualified to use a gun, kind of scary.
It is. And I am glad to hear that you've taken additional measures to gain life saving skills.
CCW training is merely familiarization with the justified use (or threatened use) of lethal force and includes coverage of those State statutes which govern such use. It is not defensive handgun training, as you point out.
Lott's big thing is liberalized concealed carry and the effect it has on discouraging multiple victim massacres. (See his joint paper with Landes on this very topic.) It's a numbers game for him. I am interested in discrete events and favorable outcomes.
I encourage every one to not short shrift the training budget. Many buy weapon after weapon, burn through a ton of ammo and punch lots of holes in paper targets, but never learn to fight effectively with a weapon. Firearms training constitutes a triad of skills -- marksmanship, tactics and field craft. Most know little about the latter two.
I have been shooting for over 50 years, and can say I have been a marksman for over 40. But I have only in the last 15 years been a continuing student of “defensive” shooting.
I am an NRA instructor in almost every discipline the NRA teaches, but my real defensive shooting has been through professional schools like Front Sight, Nevada. I am not a combat master by any means, but I am a distinguished graduate of a few of their defensive shooting courses, and have advanced tactics training.
For pistol courses, everything at the school is done from the holster. A typical test is controlled pairs to center of mass from the holster in under a second, maybe 1.5 seconds as range increases to beyond 20 yards. You learn from the git-go how to draw properly and not muzzle friendlies, how to be aware before the fight, survive the fight, and not get shot by late arriving law enforcement after the gun fight. Malfunctions are drilled so that handling them is instinctive, day or night. Night shooting involves managing both gun and light. The list goes on and on.
I currently live in a state/county where the county will not issue CCW (unless you are a politician). So I had years of training before even considering a CCW. I took the Utah course, which still doesn’t help me in my state, but seemed like a good thing for traveling. As I said, I was pretty unimpressed with the competence bar set for people to obtain a permit. While being accurate and fast is important, knowing how to run/fight the gun, and stay alive after the fight are probably just as important if not more so. None was required for the CCW permit.
A less than optimum situation may still be quite superior to other outcomes.
If one outcome is that an unoppposed attacker kills 26 and another outcome is that a poorly trained citizen kills the attacker and 1 innocent bystander, I'll take the latter.
Well, I hope you keep your AR15 with loaded magazines in a grab and go case, unlike the fellow in Sutherland Springs who had to load his magazine on the run -- barefoot!
Here in Phoenix we have some excellent gun schools. Although I've not been to Gun Sight, I have trained under James Jarrett (ASA/USMA) and George Dean (TacTrain). I see that Jarrett is now director of NRA Carry Guard. I'm glad things are going well for him. Some of my fondest shooting experiences have been on the line in his courses.
This is the wrong sequence. It should be load and lock, because it is impossible to load a gun after it is locked.
Having large numbers of ccws in a church establishes superior firepower
If the church is known as a hard target the perps will go elsewhere or give up the effort.
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