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The climate is changing, but not just because of humans. Here's why that matters.
NBC "News" ^ | November 27, 2017 | by Tonya T. Neaves

Posted on 11/27/2017 2:27:48 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

The climate is changing — the thing is, it isn’t just due to humans.

Natural forces beyond human control are also gradually affecting our climate. These geophysical forces are vital to understanding global warming. Man is indeed responsible for a large portion — possibly even a majority — of global warming. But also in play are complex gravitational interactions, including changes in the Earth’s orbit, axial tilt and torque.

This fact needs to be included in the public debate. Because these gravitational shifts, occurring over millennia, can influence climate patterns and ultimately lead to noticeable variations in seasons. Interestingly, research suggests climate change can alter the tilt of the Earth, but an unrelated change in tilt can also further change the climate. It is a balance-counterbalance relationship.

The 2017 Atlantic hurricane season was an intense, record-setting period. With several landfall hurricanes — Harvey, Irma, Jose and Maria — barreling their way through the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, devastating parts of the Leeward Islands and United States.

Still, even President Donald J. Trump has implied the whole of idea climate change may just be a hoax. Most Republicans seem to agree that it is not a serious problem.

Meanwhile, while some Democrats have tried to use the frequency and intensity of storms in the hopes of highlighting the climate change conversation, even this effort has seemed muted.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fakenews; fakescience; globalwarming; hoax; journalism; nbc; socialism
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1 posted on 11/27/2017 2:27:48 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

NBC Junk Science, Fake News alert


2 posted on 11/27/2017 2:32:14 PM PST by DanielRedfoot (Po Dunk)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The climate on earth has been changing since the beginning of time and man has had nothing to do with it.

The Sun, source of all heat, is what determines if this planet is covered in ice or is nice like now.


3 posted on 11/27/2017 2:32:24 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Man is indeed responsible for a large portion — possibly even a majority — of global warming. But also in play are complex gravitational interactions, including changes in the Earth’s orbit, axial tilt and torque.

Well, I'm glad they eliminated the sun as a possible factor in global warming. I was beginning to suspect it might have something to do with the whole thing. Being hot and all.

4 posted on 11/27/2017 2:32:52 PM PST by Billthedrill
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Gravitational forces, eh? So we can solve it if everyone moves his car over to the other side of the garage.


5 posted on 11/27/2017 2:34:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The climate is changing — the thing is, it isn’t just due to humans.

Man is indeed responsible for a large portion — possibly even a majority — of global warming.

is it Climate Change I am responsible for ? or global warming ?
6 posted on 11/27/2017 2:35:43 PM PST by stylin19a (Best.Election.Ever.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
They just never quit.

The 2017 Atlantic hurricane season was an intense, record-setting period. With several landfall hurricanes — Harvey, Irma, Jose and Maria — barreling their way through the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, devastating parts of the Leeward Islands and United States.

And just how many hurricanes made landfall in the US in the immediately preceding 4,323 days (or 142-months or 12-years)? NONE!

So a couple of hurricanes in 2017 were "record setting" but the truly record-setting "hurricane drought" doesn't merit mention. It is no wonder that more and more Americans are skeptical of this bosh.

7 posted on 11/27/2017 2:35:43 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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8 posted on 11/27/2017 2:35:53 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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Nobody has ever explained what caused the previous Ice Ages, and there have been several, to end, even when the human race was still living on the savannas of Africa running from lions..............


9 posted on 11/27/2017 2:37:02 PM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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... also in play are complex gravitational interactions, including changes in the Earth’s orbit, axial tilt and torque.

No problem, we just get a large asteroid to ram us just right and...

10 posted on 11/27/2017 2:37:15 PM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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"The 2017 Atlantic hurricane season was an intense, record-setting period."

And the Pacific Typhoon season was remarkably quiet and tranquil. I did not read the article but the climate change orthodoxy is a wealth transfer hoax. Paying more in taxes will not change the climate.

11 posted on 11/27/2017 2:39:31 PM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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So we can solve it if everyone moves his car over to the other side of the garage.

Except on Guam... it might tip over. ;-)

12 posted on 11/27/2017 2:39:38 PM PST by ken in texas
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You can’t make bullshit reasonable.


13 posted on 11/27/2017 2:40:18 PM PST by arthurus
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ah, more “news” about “climate change” from someone who’d fail high school trig and would avoid a real physics course like the plague.

Journalism: when you are too stupid even for politics.


14 posted on 11/27/2017 2:42:55 PM PST by Da Coyote
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>>Nobody has ever explained what caused the previous Ice Ages, and there have been several, to end, even when the human race was still living on the savannas of Africa running from lions..............

Google “Richard firestone” & “Younger Dryas Event”


15 posted on 11/27/2017 2:52:32 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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Physicist Howard Hayden's one-letter disproof of global warming claims [pre-Climategate]

Dear Administrator Jackson:

I write in regard to the Proposed Endangerment and Cause or Contribute Findings for Greenhouse Gases Under Section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act, Proposed Rule, 74 Fed. Reg. 18,886 (Apr. 24, 2009), the so-called "Endangerment Finding."

It has been often said that the "science is settled" on the issue of CO2 and climate. Let me put this claim to rest with a simple one-letter proof that it is false.

The letter is s, the one that changes model into models. If the science were settled, there would be precisely one model, and it would be in agreement with measurements.

Alternatively, one may ask which one of the twenty-some models settled the science so that all the rest could be discarded along with the research funds that have kept those models alive.

We can take this further. Not a single climate model predicted the current cooling phase. If the science were settled, the model (singular) would have predicted it.

(excerpted from Professor Hayden's letter to Lisa P. Jackson, Administrator Environmental Protection Agency. More at link.)


16 posted on 11/27/2017 2:54:15 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The climate certainly changed when God saved only one family from the Great Flood that drowned everyone else on earth. This was man-made climate change because mankind had become totally evil and depraved and deserved God’s destruction.


17 posted on 11/27/2017 2:54:47 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: Red Badger

The Ice Ages were caused by a preponderance of ice.


18 posted on 11/27/2017 3:03:03 PM PST by Architect of Avalon
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To: TigersEye

bkmk


19 posted on 11/27/2017 3:11:01 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Red Badger
even when the human race was still living on the savannas of Africa running from lions

Or even now, when the descendants of those Africans make good livings running from linebackers, safeties, and paternity suits.

20 posted on 11/27/2017 3:11:18 PM PST by katana
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