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Ammunition Sales Surge as Californians Seek to Beat New Gun Controls
Breitbart ^ | 22 Dec 2017 | AWR HAWKINS

Posted on 12/22/2017 9:25:12 AM PST by Mr. Mojo

California ammunition sales are surging as residents rush to beat the January 1, 2018, implementation of new gun controls targeting ammo sales.

The incoming controls are the outworking of Proposition 63, passed by voters in 2016.

On December 15 Breitbart News reported that California’s war on guns would broaden to include a war on ammo in 2018. These controls include a ban on any ammunition not purchased within the state of California. Moreover, they narrowly define legally purchased ammo as that which is acquired via a licensed dealer in the state.

These controls will not only lessen the supply of ammunition available to Californians, thereby driving up the price for bullets, but will also add processing fees to certain ammo sales, driving up the price even higher.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2a; ammo; banglist; ca; california
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To: CurlyDave

“If you buy boxes of 20 (rifle) or 50 (pistol), there is a lot number on the box. There is a lot of information behind that lot number. Including where the manufacturer shipped the product. “

Any copper who would enforce this law is just as bad as the sons of bitches who passed it.


21 posted on 12/22/2017 10:11:02 AM PST by Bonemaker
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To: Mr. Mojo

1. NRA to file suit after January 1.
2. Dealers tell me CA still has no way to administer/enforce.

Seems like feel good bluster from liberal politicians in Sacramento.


22 posted on 12/22/2017 10:11:44 AM PST by SixIron (Golf and liberal thinking- life's great frustrations)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Who cares as long as there is a Las Vegas gun show?


23 posted on 12/22/2017 10:12:08 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world yet loses his soul?)
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To: CurlyDave

If you kill all your boxes and just keep the ammo.... and make sure the manufacturer shipped to CA... you are still okay, right?

I mean this is such a BS law. Maybe CA will make ammo makers engrave each round.


24 posted on 12/22/2017 10:18:54 AM PST by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: DownInFlames
I believe the legal challenge(s) to this need “standing” (going by several CA Gun Rights organizations) and they are waiting for Jan. 1st to come so that people are now affected and therefore now have standing.
A bill a few years ago had similar impact and it was found to be in violation of Interstate Commerce.
25 posted on 12/22/2017 10:19:08 AM PST by Ronniesque
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To: Mr. Mojo

Color me an outlaw then. I will simply buy my ammo in Nevada or Arizona.


26 posted on 12/22/2017 10:19:22 AM PST by semaj (Audentes fortuna juvat: Fortune favors the bold. Be Bold FRiends.)
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To: Lazamataz; Jeff Chandler

Wait...

Is it going to be illegal to buy ammo out of state? I thought the law only applied to shipping ammo into the sate. Ithought it was still legal to go out of sate, purchase ammo, and bring it home into Caliornia?

How canCalifornia do that? Doesn’t that violate the constiutionally protected Federal laws allowing intersate commerce. I mean, I can even buy guns out of state as long as I have a California FFL dealer transfer them.

There is no way we are prohibited from buying out of state ammo and atill allowed to buy guns out of state.

I don’t buy it that out of state ammo sales are illegal. I think the prohibition is only on shipping ammo in from out of state. I am sure you can still walk i in.


27 posted on 12/22/2017 10:19:53 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world yet loses his soul?)
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To: Ronniesque; SixIron

See SixIron’s reply a few posts up.


28 posted on 12/22/2017 10:21:48 AM PST by Ronniesque
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I think the new rule is, if a manufacture does any business with any state besides California, the ammo is banned in California.

Or maybe it is that if any manufacturer employs anyone who has lived anywhere but California, the ammo is banned in California.

Or maybe it is that if any manufacturer employs a human being, and it can be shown that human beings exist in any other state besides California, the ammo is banned in California.


29 posted on 12/22/2017 10:24:03 AM PST by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: CurlyDave

I expect kaleeforna to use tax stamps on ammo boxes similar to those for cigarettes.


30 posted on 12/22/2017 10:33:47 AM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure)
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To: Lazamataz

What’s the cheapest online ammo? Company name?


31 posted on 12/22/2017 10:34:00 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Beat New Gun Controls , THROW OUT THE CRAZY GOVERNMENT


32 posted on 12/22/2017 10:34:28 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: Mr. Mojo

Son of a bitch. The Satanic California Communist bastards put it right into the law.

The law will be struck down. The 9th Circus will overturn the lower court. Then the SCOTUS has to overturn the Satanic 9th. Right?

Text from the law below...

30314. (a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she rst has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.


33 posted on 12/22/2017 10:36:24 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world yet loses his soul?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I predict the Agriculture Station that’s located in Baker on the I-15 from Vegas will now be asking if you have any Ammo as well as Fruit and Vegetables in your Car.


34 posted on 12/22/2017 10:36:28 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Islamophobia, a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.)
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To: CurlyDave

” ‘...How can they know?...’

Start with the head stamp. If manufacturer didn’t ship to CA in that year, you are out of luck. ...”

Headstamps containing the date are found only on ammunition made to MIL STD only. US commercial ammunition bears manufacturer and caliber information.

Some foreign-made ammunition is stamped with otherwise unannotated numbers, but these digits do not always indicate the date of manufacture.

That is not the last word on enforceability headaches.

Many commercial reloading companies exist. Often, they obtain once-fired cases in military chamberings, which bear headstamps indicating original date of manufacture. They produce remanufactured ammunition using these cases. Would the law apply to original year of manufacture, or to year of remanufacture?


35 posted on 12/22/2017 10:36:56 AM PST by schurmann
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To: DIRTYSECRET
What’s the cheapest online ammo? Company name?

I like www.ammoseek.com A huge list of everything available from numerous sources.

36 posted on 12/22/2017 10:38:04 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: rktman

Ammo tax stamp?


37 posted on 12/22/2017 10:38:53 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: CurlyDave

Yup. Kinda gives a feel for who has the best online prices.


38 posted on 12/22/2017 10:43:09 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

“I predict the Agriculture Station that’s located in Baker on the I-15 from Vegas will now be asking if you have any Ammo as well as Fruit and Vegetables in your Car.”

I think that most people here don’t realize that California already stops every car entering the state, due to their Ag Inspections (has been going on for decades), so smuggling in ammo is not as easy as making sure to drive the speed limit.


39 posted on 12/22/2017 10:45:03 AM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
A couple of places.

ammograb.com and ammoseek.com list inexpensive places to buy.

I've found targetsportsusa.com to be excellent, especially if you enroll in their Ammo Prime program.

40 posted on 12/22/2017 10:46:40 AM PST by upchuck ("Ex-obama" ... That phrase itself honors America. ~ h/t glennaro)
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