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1 posted on 12/31/2017 12:48:57 PM PST by Kaslin
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The trouble with conservatism is that it takes self control to not want to loot the public purse for one’s personal benefit and leave the next generation cold and hungry and beggars.


2 posted on 12/31/2017 1:06:56 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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Actually I am by definition a ‘liberal.’ Like the founders. We want liberty for all, reigned in by the lightest of tethers.

I hate defending the term ‘conservative.’ I don’t want things to be as of old. We learn, we improve, we (dare I use this verb) progress. In all of our gain, we must, in my opinion, fit our social infrastructure to our constitution and not the other way around. So we aren’t pure ‘progressives’ who have zero core and are thus easily fooled then ruled by smooth talking tyrants. We are ‘liberals’ because we are open to truly seeing what is going on and guarding our freedom for us and future generations. We can adapt but we don’t ‘fundamentally transform.’ We are called conservatives but we are more liberal than any leftist. The leftists and their Gullibles who follow them blindly can’t be open minded. They are shamed into only seeing one side of anything. Leftism is as far from freedom as you can get.


3 posted on 12/31/2017 1:17:37 PM PST by Yaelle
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“Conservatism” as a brand is dead, imho. And rightfully so (pun intended.)


4 posted on 12/31/2017 1:24:50 PM PST by GCFADG (Pardon me.)
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Those that like to criticize and correct the use of Liberal when referencing the Democrats in today’s politics, are a lost cause. They keep trying to correct folks in rescue of the word. Sorry, but there’s no rescuing the word after what the Left did to it.

Chalk it up as a rainbow, the term “gay”, or the use of the word progressive.

These are terms of avoidance.

Homosexuality can’t be minimized by associating it with Rainbows. Using the term gay can dismiss the sorrow and misery that came along with this lifestyle. Progressive is not an accurate word, when it comes to rolling back the cloc on over 100 million dead, to praise Communism/Socialism/and Marxism.

Vulgarity is the only accurate description of what was done to these words or entities, in the interest of hiding truth.


5 posted on 12/31/2017 1:30:16 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell, Ryan, and the whole GOPe are dead to me. Are Alabamans tired of winning?)
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To: Kaslin

A perfect summary of this article would be “Make America Great Again.”


9 posted on 12/31/2017 1:53:16 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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bump


12 posted on 12/31/2017 1:59:06 PM PST by foreverfree
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Progressives are to liberals as that white stuff in chicken shit is to chicken shit. Why differentiate at all?


14 posted on 12/31/2017 2:12:47 PM PST by sparklite2 (Read the Sparklite Times)
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Oh goody another thoughtful piece about how conservatism isn’t really

If the Claremont Institute with join with Fitton and Judicial Watch I might have some respect for them


15 posted on 12/31/2017 3:21:25 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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While flying the flag of liberalism, the Progressives laid waste to the liberal Republic of the American founders.
If you read The Road to Serfdom (Reader’s Digest Condensed Version here), you will see that FA Hayek used the term “liberal” to denote people who today would be called “conservatives” in America. That is because Hayek, an Austrian, learned English in America before the meaning of “liberal” was essentially inverted, according to Safire's New Political Dictionary, in the 1920s. And the meaning of “liberal” was not changed in Britain, where Hayek wrote Serfdom during WWII.

16 posted on 12/31/2017 3:28:05 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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Republicans used to be progressive- party of Lincoln. What the sam dog you think happened?

From Wikipedia”-

The Progressive Party of 1912 was an American third party. It was formed by former President Theodore Roosevelt after he lost the presidential nomination of the Republican Party to his former protégé, President William Howard Taft. The new party was known for taking advanced positions on progressive reforms and attracting some leading reformers. After the party’s defeat in the 1912 presidential election, it went into rapid decline, disappearing by 1918. The Progressive party was nicknamed the “Bull Moose Party” after journalists quoted Roosevelt saying that he felt “fit as a bull moose” following an assassination attempt on the campaign trail shortly after the new party was formed.[1]

As a member of the Republican Party, Roosevelt had served as president from 1901 to 1909, becoming increasingly progressive in the later years of his presidency. In the 1908 presidential election, Roosevelt helped ensure that he would be succeeded by Secretary of War Taft. After Taft took office, he hewed closer to the conservative wing of the party. This and other actions alienated Roosevelt from his former friend. Progressive Republican leader Robert La Follette had already announced a challenge to Taft for the 1912 Republican nomination, but many of his supporters shifted to Roosevelt after the former president decided to seek a third presidential term, which was permissible under the United States Constitution prior to the ratification of the Twenty-second Amendment. At the 1912 Republican National Convention, Taft narrowly defeated Roosevelt for the party’s presidential nomination. After the convention, Roosevelt, Frank Munsey, George Walbridge Perkins, and other progressive Republicans established the Progressive Party and nominated a ticket of Roosevelt and Hiram Johnson of California at the 1912 Progressive National Convention. The new party attracted several Republican officeholders, although nearly all of them remained loyal to the Republican Party; in California, Johnson and the Progressives took control of the Republican party.

The party’s platform built on Roosevelt’s Square Deal domestic program and called for several progressive reforms. The platform asserted that “to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.” Proposals on the platform included restrictions on campaign finance contributions, a reduction of the tariff, and the establishment of a social insurance system, an eight-hour workday, and women’s suffrage. The party was split on the regulation of large corporations, with some party members disappointed that the platform did not contain a stronger call for “trust-busting.” Party members also had different outlooks on foreign policy, with pacifists like Jane Addams opposing Roosevelt’s call for a naval build-up.

The platform’s main theme was reversing the domination of politics by business interests, which allegedly controlled the Republican and Democratic parties, alike. The platform asserted that:

To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.[10]

To that end, the platform called for:

Strict limits and disclosure requirements on political campaign contributions
Registration of lobbyists
Recording and publication of Congressional committee proceedings

In the social sphere the platform called for:

A National Health Service to include all existing government medical agencies.
Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled
Limited the ability of judges to order injunctions to limit labor strikes.
A minimum wage law for women
An eight-hour workday
A federal securities commission
Farm relief
Workers’ compensation for work-related injuries
An inheritance tax

The political reforms proposed included:

Women’s suffrage
Direct election of Senators
Primary elections for state and federal nominations

The platform also urged states to adopt measures for “direct democracy”, including:

The recall election (citizens may remove an elected official before the end of his term)
The referendum (citizens may decide on a law by popular vote)
The initiative (citizens may propose a law by petition and enact it by popular vote)
Judicial recall (when a court declares a law unconstitutional, the citizens may override that ruling by popular vote).[11]


17 posted on 12/31/2017 3:43:28 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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The problem with conservatism is not just that it doesn’t conserve anything, but also that what it’s trying to conserve is essentially modernism and therefore not worth conserving anywise.


22 posted on 12/31/2017 4:35:57 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Bring back lords and kings)
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No, FDR disguised the fact that he was a wannabe Communist. There is nothing progressive about the left’s agenda. It’s been tried before many times and always fails.


23 posted on 12/31/2017 4:38:01 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. ~ Hosea 8:7)
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I never use “liberal” or “progressive” to speak of these collectivists.


34 posted on 01/02/2018 12:54:16 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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Most people who identify as conservative are really traditionalist/nationalists/patriots. They’re not the people you find in the conservative think tanks, but they are the people trying to raise their kids well, support American troops, and trying to prevent the Marxist left from destroying this nation.


35 posted on 01/02/2018 1:16:28 AM PST by JohnyBoy (The GOP Senate is intentionally trying to lose the majority.)
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