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To: papertyger

Hey, it’s the lead article that brought out the meaningless “irreducible complexity”, other magic words, and pulled ‘em all from hate of anything actually trying to understand how natural systems work and what that all implies (”OMG! Implies history more than 10,000 years! MUST DESTROY! Fling vapid insults! Repeating ‘God!’ is enough, you heretic!”).

Hey, fact is: complex systems can & do arise from simple principles. Every living thing starts from a single cell, so complexity obviously arises from simple. I’m not “clouding”, I’m honestly trying to understand and see how those actually apply in real systems. If that terrifies you, that’s on you.


35 posted on 03/08/2018 12:46:49 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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To: ctdonath2
Hey, fact is: complex systems can & do arise from simple principles.

And again, you're playing word games in conflating something that is "complex," with a complex "function."

Certainly the structure of a snowflake is "complex," but all the characteristics of the snowflake's complexity are resident in the properties of water. "Irreducible Complexity" describes a structure that IS NOT explainable by the properties of the constituent parts.

And for the record "hate" was a typo. I meant to say your syllogism pulled irreducible complexity out of your "hat." Just like your statement "Every living thing starts from a single cell, so complexity obviously arises from simple." "Single" and "simple" are not synonymous, and you know it, but you wrote it anyway.

37 posted on 03/08/2018 1:09:18 PM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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