Posted on 03/10/2018 1:02:50 PM PST by Eleutheria5
Many of these people ended up in New Mexico, and had similar customs.
while obviously many, most will remain in their current status (and many are not even aware or curious), increasing numbers of people are discovering their Jewish heritage and many are choosing to return to faith and the Jewish people....
it is an individual or family decision...and some are making their way back to Israel, too....
You joke - but how many of us are there (Spanish Ex-pats living in the Americas) who are of Judean origin that don’t know it?
And such is the vice of government churches — they can even exile whole groups who don’t do anything but dissent from the church doctrine.
Losing a homeland is better than losing a life I suppose, but it brought an old biblical curse upon Spain.
Roman Catholic popular practice (whatever official doctrines might be) is quite malleable to local custom today.
So being that it’s so malleable with “custom”, that’s why it’s all of a sudden embracing Homosexuality, trans-genderism, and all sorts of hypocritical liberal policies like mass-immigration worldwide from the top down I suppose.
Local custom is worldwide now.
I did a double take on that one.
Brooks had so many subtleties in his work, you could watch so over and over still finding Easter eggs 30-40 years later...
Well, we should have known that anyhow. Why does Santa Muerte pop up so frequently in Mexico? The orthodox Catholics will tell you it’s an abomination (which it is). The folk? They keep on appeasing the dead or whatever it is they are trying to do.
“And such is the vice of government churches — they can even exile whole groups who don’t do anything but dissent from the church doctrine.”
I doubt you’d find too many observant Jews who would characterize Judaism as “dissent” from Christianity.
If we found the spine to expel the muzzies from America, would it be because they dissent from Christianity?
In addition to being a novelist, James Michener was a historian. A person can profitably read “Iberia” for more insight into that period.
Mel Brooks was an entertainer, not a historian, and of course he was way off about the role of the Inquisition or the shape of the friars’ legs. Furthermore, Sephardic Jews don’t speak with a Yiddish accent and were much more cosmopolitan in their dress, even back then. It’s silliness, Mel Brooks’ specialty.
ROTFLOL!
Interesting...I spend about half my time in Colombia and there is a huge Jewish population here. Most probably wouldn’t move to Spain now. Colombia has a better stanard of living.
It might cost their soul, but at least their coffers are full to the brim.
This sounds like an insinuation that there was something truly sinister going on with the Jews of Spain. Can you back it up besides waving a finger vaguely at some novel?
“of course he was way off about the role of the Inquisition”
Practically everybody is. Michener called it “the Black Legend,” this body of fake history created over centuries by English Protestants who were at war with Catholic Spain for most of those centuries.
Even today, anyone who needs a stick with which to beat the Catholic Church can reach into the bottomless back of Inquisition and Crusade fake history.
I misunderstood what you were replying to. Actually, you’re both partially wrong. There were Jews forcibly converted to Christianity during a really hellish period of pogroms in the years preceding the expulsion of 1492. They practiced Judaism in secret, and Catholicism in public, and with a wink and a nod life went on.
Then Ferdinand and Isabella united their two kingdoms and wanted to raise funds to boot the Muslims out of Spain once and for all, so they established the Inquisition to prosecute these backsliders and confiscate their wealth. They’d confess under torture, forfeit their property, and get burnt at the stake as heretics.
Ferdinand and Isabella financed their war, expelled the Moors, and famously financed Columbus’ voyages. The Jews expelled from Spain in 1492 were those that never converted, and it was their last chance to avoid forcible conversion. Those that stayed had to convert or be put to death. Several prominent community leaders did convert and remain.
Many of those who left took refuge in Portugal, where a later wave of persecution saw them all forcibly converted, except for Rabbi Isaac Abarbanel, who left Portugal in a small rowing dingy. The Inquisition stayed in Spain and Portugal until Napoleon’s brother, appointed governor of Spain or something, abolished it.
“This sounds like an insinuation that there was something truly sinister going on with the Jews of Spain.”
No, it doesn’t.
“Can you back it up “
You invented it. You back it up.
“besides waving a finger vaguely”
If your goal is just to demonstrate how obnoxious an asshole you can be, mission accomplished.
“at some novel?”
Michener? “Some novel?” Howls, Bruce. Howls of derisive laughter.
Well, it was you who insinuated a parallel between the way Jews disagreed with Roman Catholicism and the way Muslims disagree with Christianity. You back it up, or else clarify what you mean. You sound more like Satan, ready to cast captious blame without enlightening an actual soul about actual issues that matter.
“... it was their last chance to avoid forcible conversion...a later wave of persecution saw them all forcibly converted..”
That’s the sort of thing Michener meant by “Black Legend.” Christian doctrine does not allow for forcible conversion, at all, ever. That, together with other sources I have read, leads me to classify allegations of “forced conversion” as fake history.
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