Posted on 03/10/2018 1:02:50 PM PST by Eleutheria5
Michener is a bible to you huh.
Something that doesn’t need backing up independently huh.
You are Satanic.
Forcible, coerced by circumstance... oh what a difference.
Not when living meant being able to keep one’s earned estate in the land.
“Well, it was you who insinuated a parallel between the way Jews disagreed with Roman Catholicism and the way Muslims disagree with Christianity.”
Nonsense. It was you who tortured my words to try and force that interpretation. You own it.
“You back it up, or else clarify what you mean.”
You ESAD. I’m getting rather tired of the way you attack me on thread after thread with malicious bullcrap.
“You sound more like Satan, ready to cast captious blame without enlightening an actual soul about actual issues that matter.”
So, you’re just here for another malicious personal attack.
Apparently something I said made you feel really stupid, and now you’re obsessed and can’t stop coming after me.
Remember, the first rule of Dunning Kruger Club is that you don’t know you’re a member of Dunning Kruger Club.
“Michener is a bible to you huh.”
Well, let’s see...I quoted a book by a historian as a secular source.
With complete disregard for honesty, you characterize that as regarding the book as “a bible.”
You don’t have to be Fellini to see the malice and hatred behind that kind of misconduct.
Christian doctrine also calls for one to turn the other cheek and bless one’s enemies, which has been honored in the breach more often than otherwise. A lot of history is fake, but this is not. During the 1300s, there were forced conversions galore in Spain, with the blessings of the clergy on the endeavor. This was no black legend, but actual fact. 100,000 Jews converted, 100,000 were murdered, and the remaining 100,000 finally left in 1492, deeply impoverished. In Portugal, the forcible conversions and introduction of the Inquisition preceded the Portuguese monarch’s son’s marriage to a scion of the Isabella/Ferdinand line. Entire communities kept their real faith in underground synagogues, while attending church and pretending devoutness. In recent decades, at least one such community came out of hiding.
In Poland, Chmelnicki’s uprising saw the commission of even more heinous crimes against the Jewish community, although it was primarily aimed at the Polish overlords. It would be nice if all this was fake history. But it’s not.
In Gibraltar, Jews, Christians and Muslims live in commercial competition but otherwise in harmony. Ladino is still spoken on the streets, along with Arabic and Spanish. And that’s all the fault of Capitalism.
“This was no black legend”
I guess it’s just too early.
I have had leftard cow-orkers who could not be convinced by any amount of proof that CNN puts out fake news.
Now, after all these years, the number of people who understand that has grown to a significant number.
I guess it’s just too early for the Black Legend to be seen for what it is.
“During WWII the Franco regime managed to save several thousand Jews from Hitler by permitting them to claim Sephardi heritage, and hence Spanish citizenship.”
very cool
of course one should say the Franco Government - :)
Already gave it to the Muslims
I’ve read books on the history of this period. Possibly also the Michener book to which you refer, although I’m not certain. You’re confusing two things. The idea that the Inquisition took part in forcible conversions is a myth, put to music by Mel Brooks in one of his best skits ever. But that the populace of Spain, incited by the fiery harangues of a popular Bishop that fueled their own personal resentments, engaged in pogroms and forcible conversions is historical truth. I recall even reading of a forced convert asking the Catholic hierarchy for relief from being deemed a Christian on the grounds that his conversion was coerced, and the ecclesiastical court ruled against him, because his actual immersion in a baptismal font was a voluntary act, even though he was doing it because of threats to his person. The Inquisition only had jurisdiction over Christians accused of heresy or Judais-ing, and even the auto da fes were conducted by the civil authorities.
Now the British, during their wars with Spain, did invent a lot of myths, but they only concerned themselves with crimes against Protestants, not Jews, for whom they didn’t care a fig.
Who on earth would want to live in Spain? Land of bullfights and other cruelty. The very earth is tainted by their treatment of Jews in 1492. Burned them at the stake, and committed other atrocities against them.
See 49 above, and discussion with sdc.
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muslims need not apply.
Pleasant dreams.
Wow, still nada after five hundred years. “I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee,” still applies. WTH is Spain thinking? Oh yeah the Moors loved it there.
Not sephardim but Karliner was more Kiev Ukraine. Our old name was "Karliner" as per a great great grandfather was a rabbi in Kiev. From my grandmother and a LOT of research I was told of(shhhhh) our Jewish heritage. I don't know the whole story but there were a number of pogroms and somehow they made it to America and became Catholics under the name,"Karlin." My granny was a staunch Catholic and only told me the last year of her life. Lot of Karlin's in Kansas and Illinois. So the Hassid's didn't fair much better.
I didn’t expect that.
Wow!
Wonderful story!
God Bless you & your family!
“the Moors loved it there”
Best looting, pillage and rape in centuries.
When she died the history went with it. I tried but it comes back to Karliner’s. On the other side my grandpas mother was Klara Taube, a name like Smith many Jews adopted for one reason or another. No DNA here but old family did agree it was a secret. Don’t know how Jewish I am but it’s probably not a lot.I can only imagine the hardships and sometimes wish I knew more of our ancestry. I love to think of my Hebrew line(s) and now consider myself a “Jews For Jesus,” converso But that’s not the truth. I was raised Catholic and became a Christian in my teens and learned through an uncle and verified later through my grandmother of our heritage. I doubt Israel would take me without a conversion to Judaism...too goy!
Those danged Moors. Tired of listening to their whining, their atrocities, howling five times a day to their moon god their meteorite worship. Our God is greater!
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