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Ross Olmos: NRA built on false notion that gun rights are absolute
ocala.com ^ | 3/12/2018 | Ross Olmos

Posted on 03/14/2018 1:56:27 PM PDT by rktman

As a first step, I would like to challenge Sen. Rubio to publically explain why any American civilian actually needs to own a military assault weapon.

The 2nd Amendment of our Constitution consists of 26 words written in arcane language that has caused much confusion down through the years. Since the amendment was written at a time in our history where virtually every home contained a flintlock musket and gun ownership was an accepted, normal part of everyday life, it’s reasonable to believe that, rather than dealing with individual gun ownership, the 2nd Amendment was intended to protect the right of each state to have its own “well regulated militia.”

However, the NRA has taken the last 14 words of the amendment, “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,” strictly out of context, to promote a pro-gun agenda that has been amazingly successful. The NRA is recognized as the most powerful and influential government lobbying group in the U.S. They have bought and/or intimidated many politicians — including our own Sen. Marco Rubio, who has taken millions from the NRA — into adopting and promoting their agenda, which includes the following:

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; banglist; editorials; nra; secondamendment
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Try to take our guns and test how absolute it is

THIS!
41 posted on 03/14/2018 2:29:43 PM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: rktman
State supremacism is based on the false notion that individual rights are not absolute. And the US Constitution was designed to absolutely forbid the US Federal government from doing certain things, whether or not the individual rights those prohibitions are intended to protect are or are not "absolute."
42 posted on 03/14/2018 2:31:29 PM PDT by sourcery (Non Aquiesco: "I do not consent" (Latin))
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To: rktman

The language of the 2nd is not arcane. It was written in the English of the times, and written for the common man, like the rest of the Constitution. We need semi-automatic sporting rifles for many reasons, not the least of which is to keep arms in the hands of the People, as a counterweight against overbearing civil government.


43 posted on 03/14/2018 2:32:43 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: rktman

“I would like to challenge Sen. Rubio to publically explain why any American civilian actually needs to own a military assault weapon.”

The second amendment guarantees that Americans can own a military “assault” weapon because, as is stated in the Constitution, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...” A militia is a civilian military and it is necessary for a free state in that it may be required to fight a tyrannical government.

The right to bear arms is tied to the need for a militia, not to hunting.


44 posted on 03/14/2018 2:33:20 PM PDT by odawg
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To: rktman

The Constitution says that the feds cannot infringe on our gun rights. That is all.

Notice how the Delusional Lying Left tries to skew the argument to things like “absolute” when the REAL issue is the Constitution that limits the feds.


45 posted on 03/14/2018 2:33:51 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: NorthMountain; rktman

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,”

It should be noted that the 2A does not GIVE us any rights - the RIGHT to bear arms was UNDERSTOOD by the founders to be a fact - it was obvious, INNATE.

What leftists like Olmos misunderstand or deny, is that the 2A simply INFORMS what the Govt CAN’T DO - it can’t INFRINGE on our right.


46 posted on 03/14/2018 2:37:02 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: rktman

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Who the F___ is Ross Olmos?

The Federalist papers made the point that the people needed to hold the military strength in their own hands.

This is why a standing army is constitutionally forbidden.

The people alone are to be the power, not the government.
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47 posted on 03/14/2018 2:37:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Self defense is an absolute. Firearms are only a means to assure that self-defense will be effective.

Firearms in one form or another have been the means of equalization between the physically more powerful and the otherwise relatively weaker members of any human community, when it comes down to a life-and-death struggle. Knives or special training in the use of hands and feet, or even whole body, in overcoming adversaries can be, and has been, highly effective, but only if the adversary is not more adept in their application.

Sometimes the mere display, and the determination to use a weapon, is enough to deter any further assault by the predator expecting to find only a victim.

Stop, or my mom will shoot.


48 posted on 03/14/2018 2:38:40 PM PDT by alloysteel (There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots. There are no old, bold pilots.)
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To: rktman
...Since the amendment was written at a time in our history where virtually every home contained a flintlock musket...

And rifle.

1. The people who wrote the Constitution had no problem with people keeping those guns.

2. Wasn't the flintlock musket also standard issue for the military? That and the rifle. So if it was OK for people back then to own "military style" weapons, why isn't it now?

3. A $200 fee to own a rifle? Sounds like a poll tax. Maybe a black person who wants to own an AR15 should ask if it is...

49 posted on 03/14/2018 2:39:48 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Reno89519
👹. If only it were that simple. I have to double check myself if there's a possibility of crossing into that state about 5 miles west of us just to be sure I didn't leave a 10+ mag in the truck. Or a firearm. Yeah, infringed.
50 posted on 03/14/2018 2:41:05 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: jonno

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The operative phrase is “God Given,” not Innate!

Our founding document, the Declaration of Independence, says our rights are given us by our creator.

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51 posted on 03/14/2018 2:41:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: rktman

As a first step, I would like to challenge Ross Olmos to publically explain why any law-abiding American civilian should actually be compelled to own _LESS_ than a military assault weapon.

Scenario
Family sleeping peacefully. 4:13 AM. Glass breaks downstairs. Multiple people heard, unfriendly tones. More breakage heard. Footsteps heading up stairs.
And Mr. Olmos would, at that moment, would rather have:
- musket?
- double-barrel shotgun?
- 30-round semiautomatic carbine?
- baseball bat?
- nothing?


52 posted on 03/14/2018 2:42:50 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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To: rktman

I am an American. I am a citizen. I am a woman.
In some countries, I would be a subject of a king or queen.
In other countries, I would be the slave to dictator or a totalitarian regime.
And in certain countries, I would be the property of my father or husband.

But I am a female. I am an American citizen.And that is a beautiful blessing because I have the same right to own a firearm that my husband or father has. My life, my liberty, my family are precious to me and worth protecting.

Why do I have a gun ? Because I can.


53 posted on 03/14/2018 2:44:20 PM PDT by karatemom
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To: rktman
As a first step, I would like to challenge Sen. Rubio to publically explain why any American civilian actually needs to own a military assault weapon.

Mr. Olmos, please try to remember that the Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.

54 posted on 03/14/2018 2:46:10 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: karatemom
Don't you mean you "need" a gun? Just kidding. 🍿🍻🇺🇸😹
55 posted on 03/14/2018 2:47:11 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

“A well-balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.”

Who has the right to food? The well-balanced breakfast, or THE PEOPLE?


56 posted on 03/14/2018 2:48:46 PM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak)
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To: rktman

Substitute: “A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.”

Accepting the leftist arguments regarding wording, clearly they believe ONLY the well-educated are permitted to read books.


57 posted on 03/14/2018 2:49:16 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: rktman
...it’s reasonable to believe that, rather than dealing with individual gun ownership, the 2nd Amendment was intended to protect the right of each state to have its own "well regulated militia."

Sorry,snowfake...SCOTUS has ruled differently,the most recent ruling (a 9-0 decision) having been in 2016 in the "Caetano v Massachusetts" case.

We're sorry to inform you that you're gonna have to amend the Constitution...either by modifying the 2nd Amendment (as currently written) or by repealing it outright.

Unpopular Constitutional Amendments have been repealed before...why don't you give it a shot!

Get it?...shot! ROTFLMAO!

58 posted on 03/14/2018 2:52:03 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama & Hillary: The Two Most Corrupt Politicians of My Lifetime.)
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To: rktman

We need to change the terms of the debate by refusing to call them ‘assault rifles’ - we should instead point out their primary purpose by calling them ‘home defense rifles’.


59 posted on 03/14/2018 2:54:17 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: rktman

The military is not ever specified as “the people”. The citizenry is the people. Not all “the people” are military.

They know exactly what intent and wording is here from the federalist paper writings debating the amendments.


60 posted on 03/14/2018 2:54:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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