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We’re asking the wrong questions about pot
PoliticsDiscussion.com ^ | May 27, 2018 | Judith Grisel (prof - neuroscience, Bucknell U)

Posted on 05/27/2018 6:16:38 AM PDT by Steve Schulin

... The offspring of partying adolescents, specifically those who used THC, may be at increased risk for mental illness and addiction as a result of changes to the epigenome — even if those children are years away from being conceived. The epigenome is a record of molecular imprints of potent experiences, including cannabis exposure, that lead to persistent changes in gene expression and behavior, even across generations. Though the critical studies are only now beginning, many neuroscientists prophesize a social version of Rachel Carson’s “Silent Spring,” in which we learn we’ve burdened our heirs only generations hence.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cannabis; children; fakescience; genetics; junkscience; marijuana; neuroscience; pot; smellslikebs; wod
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To: yldstrk
if people want to destroy their brain and act stupid should we spend zillions stopping them?

If those zillions are voluntarily donated to the cause, fine - if they're extorted from taxpayers, no way Jose.

41 posted on 05/27/2018 11:56:52 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: bankwalker
who is obligated to pay their medical bills ...

We obligate ourselves by the legislators we vote for. We should stop, rather than using that violation of rights as an excuse for other violations of rights (i.e., marijuana criminalization).

42 posted on 05/27/2018 11:58:50 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Garth Tater; TheStickman
ping
43 posted on 05/27/2018 12:13:36 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Steve Schulin
I'm 63 years old and have long considered the federal prohibition of recreational drugs to be both unconstitutional and counterproductive.

You've long been correct.

This article emphasizes the long-term neurologic effects of marijuana on young people

Speaking of counterproductive: young people have for years, well before any state legalized, been reporting that they can get illegal-for-all pot more easily than legal-for-adults-only beer or cigarettes - which is to be expected, since dealers in legal substances typically card for age, whereas dealers in illegal substances never do. The available evidence indicates that the best way to keep pot from youths is to legalize it for adults.

44 posted on 05/27/2018 12:20:08 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Thanks for the ping. I’m still very grateful cannabis is effective medicine for me & some folks I care about.

That some people are determined to poo-poo reality, both good & bad to satisfy their need to be “right” is just added entertainment.

One day soon I expect to hear from “experts” (frauds) how just thinking about the cannabis plant & how it grows is a sign of addiction lol!


45 posted on 05/27/2018 2:03:28 PM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: exDemMom

Criminalization limits supply. As well as demand

I never would have tried it if it had not been made available. Had the enforcement been stronger, then I might not had ever had the opportunity in the first place

At least it wasn’t legal so the 21 year olds could’nt have bought it for us minors.


46 posted on 05/27/2018 4:31:31 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Ban athiests, not guns)
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To: tet68

I don’t think jailing people for pot is very helpful. I also don’t think legalizing pot is helpful either.


47 posted on 05/27/2018 4:42:20 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: Steve Schulin

We are at the beginning of epigenetics as a study. Everything we do may potentially affect our genes. Here ya go Lanarck, you discredited old bastard, you were right all along, and Darwin took all the glory.

So to say that smoking marijuana will affect your genes and potentially your offspring is a total trick. All of your chemical exposure will potentially do the same. Your water. Your food. Your laundry products. Your time on gas fumes spewing highways. Your lotion. Your cigar. Your medications. Everything you do might potentially affect you genetically. And mostly there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it.

Personally, the epidemics of neurodegenerative conditions in old and young, the increase in sexual and identity brain dysfunction, all have me scared as to what we are doing wrong. We should live as clean a life as we can, but we don’t always know until it is too late what we have done wrong. I suspect both plastics and pesticides, as we have only recently begun to learn that these things outside us get right into our bloodstreams. Bisphenol A found in the unused uteri of young women?? That’s scary.


48 posted on 05/27/2018 4:55:04 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Palavar

Wow, someone making actual sense here.


49 posted on 05/27/2018 4:59:14 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Steve Schulin

You want legal THC? How about a zero tolerance law for driving: no behind the wheel if under the toke - 24 hour ban?

It works for pilots and liquer. The liquer is still legal.

I do not want to be a statistic to the rising vehicular mayhem unleashed by ersatz libertarians and real libertines.

Driving is not a right.


50 posted on 05/27/2018 5:42:33 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: exDemMom

Everything you said is true, except the phrase “our evolutionary ancestors”.

Adam was made from “slime”, and Eve was made from Adam. God put those words in Genesis because He knew some idiot by the name of Charles Darwin would come along and promote the silly idea that man is descended from primates.

Other than that, you are spot on. :)


51 posted on 05/27/2018 5:48:17 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: YogicCowboy
You want legal THC? How about a zero tolerance law for driving: no behind the wheel if under the toke - 24 hour ban?

It would be a drastic improvement over the status quo. (Needs to be a state by state decision under the Constitution, of course.)

52 posted on 05/27/2018 5:48:42 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Yaelle
So to say that smoking marijuana will affect your genes and potentially your offspring is a total trick. All of your chemical exposure will potentially do the same. Your water. Your food. Your laundry products. Your time on gas fumes spewing highways. Your lotion. Your cigar. Your medications. Everything you do might potentially affect you genetically.

Ban everything - it's for the children.

53 posted on 05/27/2018 5:58:51 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Yaelle
"Everything we do may potentially affect our genes."

Wait until our govt experts find out that obesity also affects the children!

Genetics and epigenetics of obesity

Locking people up in cages for smoking a God given weed? That's easy for them to justify - but just wait until we have to restrict their access to double mocha lattes. LOL

Sensible Food Control Laws, it's for the children!
54 posted on 05/27/2018 5:58:59 PM PDT by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: exDemMom
"I don’t buy the argument that criminalization doesn’t work, therefore drugs should be legal. No activity has ever been stopped by making it illegal, but making certain activities illegal certainly does help to decrease the incidence of those activities."

No consideration of personal freedom in that line of thought, Mom? Sounds like you haven't quite left your old, Democrat statist ways behind you.
55 posted on 05/27/2018 6:00:11 PM PDT by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: Steve Schulin

“...You disparage libertarian dogma. Do you disparage the 9th and 10th Amendments as childish too?” [Steve Schulin, post 36]

Libertarianism is fine in theory: if humans were 100 percent rational, unegotistic, uncovetous, never inclined to immaturity uninclined to angry outbursts, and never interacted with each other.

The drawback is that no human can be those ways 100 percent of the time, and hardly any of us can be any of those ways so much as half the time. Plus, we insist on crowding together, forcing our will on others, and on producing children. One person’s liberty bumps up against that of another. So libertarianism ends up being unworkable in the real world.

Stop cloaking yourself in amendments to the US Constitution. The Founders would have rejected libertarian dogma out of hand: they’d have heard your words but would have furrowed their brows in uncomprehending bafflement. Or they’d have clapped you in irons, as was done with mentally ill persons at the time; or they may have accused you of witchcraft and burned you at the stake.


56 posted on 05/27/2018 6:32:45 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: exDemMom
The more I'm subjected to the self righteous lecturing of potheads, the more I'm inclined to take a hard line on those who need 'help.'

Not my choice, not my problem.

57 posted on 05/27/2018 6:46:39 PM PDT by gogeo
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To: NobleFree
We obligate ourselves by the legislators we vote for. We should stop, rather than using that violation of rights as an excuse for other violations of rights (i.e., marijuana criminalization).

Oh, piff.

Get your hand out of my pocket, then we'll talk.

Those who want the programs are generally not those paying for them..."We" don't elect them.

58 posted on 05/27/2018 6:53:55 PM PDT by gogeo
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To: Garth Tater

Exactly. There wouldn’t be a lifestyle or maybe even a job that couldn’t somehow have epigenetic implications. We don’t know enough yet.


59 posted on 05/27/2018 7:48:36 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Mariner

“The nation will be overrun by a tsunami of pot around Thanksgiving time. And there’s not a lot that anyone can do about it.”

_________

“You’re gonna need a bigger turkey.”


60 posted on 05/27/2018 7:55:28 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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