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Any moral issues with medically appropriate human growth hormone?
Vanity | Dangus

Posted on 06/12/2018 3:18:27 AM PDT by dangus

My son has pretty much stopped growing about 2 years ago. He gained about 2 inches at a time when he should have gained about 8. He was already short for his age. He just graduated Kindergarten, but looks more like he's just ready for pre-school.

He's extremely smart, and has a WAY higher "EQ" than I do. So, he manages to enjoy school and especially aftercare; he has very good friends, is very popular, and has the girls fawning at him straight up to the eighth grade. With such good friends, and an inventive mind, he finds ways to participate in sports and play. But he can't really compete.

We're going to find out if the issue is Human Growth Hormone Deficiency. I suspect it is, because HGHD is often caused by an interruption in the brain's air supply during birth, and, as a preemie, he did have significant difficulty transitioning to breathing air.

I love him so much just the way he is, and, truth be told, I'm a little afraid of him growing up so much so quickly. But HGHD has health issues which affect people in their adulthood, significantly increasing the chances of medical problems which may result in early death, but it's not clear that HGH treatments improve life expectancy. And in the meanwhile, he has very low muscle tone, and can run only about half the speed of other kids.

Does anyone know whether there are any ethical issues with Human Growth Hormone treatments? I understand the HGH is synthetic now, but are there cloning issues nonetheless? Anyone with good or bad experiences with HGH?


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To: dangus

God gave us the brains to understand chemistry

If you’re comfortable with your own research into the matter then you can’t second guess yourself later for either decision.


21 posted on 06/12/2018 4:26:15 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: b4me

With all due respect, God allows, but does not plan sickness and disorders. The Bible even speaks to us about consulting and taking instruction from physicians who are given healing powers by God.

This young man has a right to have his disorder treated and his healing would be a manifestation of God’s
love effected through God’s own creation.

Natural means are too iffy at a certain point and with the window issue, hope poster will use prove medical means.


22 posted on 06/12/2018 4:32:28 AM PDT by amihow
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To: dangus
My nephew had the same issue and took the treatment .
He is now 5 ‘11 and just graduated college and begins work for the CDC
23 posted on 06/12/2018 4:36:36 AM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists out themselves ever)
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To: b4me; dangus

Whether or not there are natural ways to stimulate growth depends entirely on whether or not there is damage to more than one part of the hypothalamus and the endocrine system.


24 posted on 06/12/2018 4:46:54 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: b4me

A very religious man was once caught in rising floodwaters. He climbed onto the roof of his house and trusted God to rescue him. A neighbour came by in a canoe and said, “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll paddle to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

A short time later the police came by in a boat. “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll take you to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

A little time later a rescue services helicopter hovered overhead, let down a rope ladder and said. “The waters will soon be above your house. Climb the ladder and we’ll fly you to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

All this time the floodwaters continued to rise, until soon they reached above the roof and the religious man drowned. When he arrived at heaven he demanded an audience with God. Ushered into God’s throne room he said, “Lord, why am I here in heaven? I prayed for you to save me, I trusted you to save me from that flood.”

“Yes you did my child” replied the Lord. “And I sent you a canoe, a boat and a helicopter. But you never got in.”


25 posted on 06/12/2018 4:53:46 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: dangus

My daughter was born with Turners Syndrome. A Genetic disorder. No issues with HGH treatments.

Have you taken your son to a endocrinologist?

All children grow at different rates.

You may be worrying about nothing.


26 posted on 06/12/2018 5:00:14 AM PDT by Popman (Wisdom is not what you know about the world but how well you know God.)
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To: amihow

what is more natural than having a non functioning or improperly functioning gland or organ begin to funtion more properly?

There are ways, but they are less known, can be quite simple, but no doctor, not even most “natural” doctors will support some of them because doctors only speak of what they were trained or choose to learn after becoming a traditional MD or specialist.

Many people could be helped without synthetics or such other supplements that can have adverse effects in other ways int he body soon or further down the road.

medical science says there is a certain window - too many people buy into western medical science, instead of the fact God created the body and science only knows a small amount of what is possible.


I use a simple way to regulate my hypothalamus which helps my endocrine system in ways I need so I do not have to ingest synthetic or natural supplement to keep some things in check and functioning properly. That’s all I was suggesting to this poster - there are options that are safe and quickly effective and not having to ingest substances that can have desired or undersired effects.


27 posted on 06/12/2018 5:14:09 AM PDT by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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To: dangus

I would get the medical testing done before thinking about particular treatments.

I am not saying this is you, not at all, but where I live growth treatment has become a big thing with yuppie parents wanting to dictate what their child will be like and to control the process. Most of the time, height issues do work themselves out on their own. Some men are short. I am not tall and have always appreciated fitting better into cars and airplane seats (and armored vehicles) among other advantages. A short guy will miss out on some girls but eventually most of them will go for the better provider ($$$$) so he is better off working hard at school and work than worrying about his height. Of course, an identifiable medical issue is a different story.

Finally, if his birthday is in the second two-thirds of the year, and you have not held him back a grade already, I would consider doing so now. It is a huge advantage for boys socially, helps them enormously throughout school with athletics and confidence etc...


28 posted on 06/12/2018 5:19:51 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: dangus

No ethical issues whatsoever with HGH.

It is great stuff.


29 posted on 06/12/2018 5:22:57 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (I told you so)
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To: Stingray51

Also, FWIW, I would get him off of sugar and processed foods. I think soda and fruit juices are a terrible culprit when it comes to height.

I also think getting off of video games and computers and into the moderate stress of outdoor physical activities can trigger a bit of a hormonal reaction. That is just an impression, noting scientific.


30 posted on 06/12/2018 5:25:13 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: dangus

Think of it like insulin for a diabetic.

It is synthetic now. No bad sources for the prescription stuff.


31 posted on 06/12/2018 5:25:39 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (I told you so)
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To: MrEdd; Hugh the Scot; All

I answered you in my post 27

medical/HGH supplementation approach is a canoe, I offer a boat - an effective way that would quickly help the body (hypothalamus and related system in this case) heal itself and fuction properly which can thengo about it’s work to help height (which was the main complaint the original poster mentioned) but also whatever other things regulated by hypothalamus & endocrine system. The original poster will do as they please.

We just should remember our medical science is not God, it’s a business with some noble and some not so noble purposes. Many people look to doctors and specialists as “god” to help them some doctors are godly in their approach and some don’t allow God into their work and just push what they know from training.


32 posted on 06/12/2018 5:34:42 AM PDT by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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To: dangus

My SIL is 4’8’. Her son took hormones and is now 5’2” in his 30’s. She suggested our son take hormones, (he was off the charts small), but warned that they stop your own growth hormones from producing. We chose against it and he is now in his 20’s and 5’8”. I have cousins that had a growth spurt in their 20’s and are now over 6’.


33 posted on 06/12/2018 5:51:48 AM PDT by sportutegrl (Being offended is a choice.)
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To: dangus

I was on it for two years, from 15 to 17. I got to 5’7”, where past health and likely, genetics determined was as tall as I would get.


34 posted on 06/12/2018 6:04:36 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: dp0622
"The only ethical question here is if it will help your child grow."

If said growh hormone is extracted from ground up baby parts, I think there just "might" be an issue. Fortunately, pretty much all human hormones can be produced from microorganism cultures.

35 posted on 06/12/2018 6:22:52 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: b4me
Were there not a window, I could perhaps agree with you. Why do you not put out your remedies publicly on this thread?

You certainly do not have a proprietary interest in what you so verbosely do not reveal do you?

36 posted on 06/12/2018 6:22:54 AM PDT by amihow
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To: dangus

I would not rush into anything. My kid sister was always an elf. Her nickname was Dinky for years. In about 4th or 5th grade she had a growth spurt and ended up 5’7” as an adult. Mr. GG2’s nephew’s daughter same deal. She has always been tiny. The doctor’s said she would be petite. Now she has shot up in the past two years to normal height for a 7 year old.


37 posted on 06/12/2018 7:05:36 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: dangus

FOLLOW-UP (Thanks, everyone):

The endocrinologist thinks it might be a neurology issue. Apparently, some neurological issues can affect height, or the short stature could be independent of his muscle-tone issues.


38 posted on 06/12/2018 9:02:48 AM PDT by dangus
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Yes, that seems to be what I’m hearing. Thanks.


39 posted on 06/12/2018 9:40:09 AM PDT by dangus
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To: gartrell bibberts

Yes, I’m relieved that the doctor does NOT think it’s HGH related. He’s been referred to a neurologist. I’m a little concerned that he’ll just end up quite short simply because of genetics, but he is VERY tough emotionally. (The nurse had a hell of a time withdrawing blood, but besides giving me sad eyes as if to say, “why is this taking so long?,” he didn’t complain at all.)


40 posted on 06/12/2018 9:42:51 AM PDT by dangus
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