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SCOTUS ^ | June 27, 2018 | SCOTUS

Posted on 06/27/2018 7:04:17 AM PDT by luv2ski

JUSTICE ALITO delivered the opinion of the Court. Under Illinois law, public employees are forced to subsi­ dize a union, even if they choose not to join and strongly object to the positions the union takes in collective bar­ gaining and related activities. We conclude that this arrangement violates the free speech rights of nonmem­ bers by compelling them to subsidize private speech on matters of substantial public concern. We upheld a similar law in Abood v. Detroit Bd. of Ed., 431 U. S. 209 (1977), and we recognize the importance of following precedent unless there are strong reasons for not doing so. But there are very strong reasons in this case. Fundamental free speech rights are at stake. Abood was poorly reasoned. It has led to practical problems and abuse. It is inconsistent with other First Amendment cases and has been undermined by more recent decisions. Developments since Abood was handed down have shed new light on the issue of agency fees, and no reliance interests on the part of public-sector unions are sufficient to justify the perpetuation of the free speech violations


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abood; aflcio; afscme; biglabor; firstamendment; freespeech; fundingtheleft; janus; janusvafscme; laborunions; maga; nea; ruling; scotus; teamsters; trumpscotus; uaw; unions; winning
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To: LostInBayport

it’s the 27th - good timing!


141 posted on 06/27/2018 9:10:28 AM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you , Julian!)
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To: Reno89519

The ruling requires employees to “opt in” the union not opt out.


142 posted on 06/27/2018 9:16:00 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (We need a consent decree for the FBI like Obama was slapping on all those police agencies.)
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To: NohSpinZone

Public sector unions are typically aligned with the DemocRats who typically give them generous benefit and retirement packages in return for campaign contributions. The people not represented at the bargaining table are the taxpayers who are footing the whole bill.


143 posted on 06/27/2018 9:20:17 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The ONLY purpose for gun control is so that one group can force its will on a less powerful group.)
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To: Ezekiel
Last summer we realized that we had a very tall, dead tree near the power line to the house. So we paid to have it removed before disaster would be sure to strike.

I like your example, but it hits close to home for me. In a couple of months we will be moving out of the woods and back to town. Reliable electricity will be a major benefit.

And I can't tell you how many dead tall fir trees I have had to cut from the top down over the years. They have mostly been too tall for a bucket truck. Because some were close to structures I had to limb them as I climbed to the top. I learned first hand why dead limbs in the tops of tall trees are called “widow makers”. If they fall from 50 feet or more they tend to hit blunt end first and will sometimes make a hole in the ground several inches deep.

One time as I was cutting off limbs on the way up a tall dead fir tree next to my garage, I let one of them drop straight down from about 60 feet up and it and punched a hole in the garage roof and stood their looking like some sort of giant lawn dart. It went through the roof so far that it almost got to the hood of my wife's car.

144 posted on 06/27/2018 9:21:27 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: Blood of Tyrants

In violent agreement with you. Now I’m hoping for a case that goes to the SCOTUS to invalidate the very idea of public sector unions.


145 posted on 06/27/2018 9:27:10 AM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: laplata
This includes government workers unions. This is a big deal.

Problem with most government parasites is they are perfectly fine with this. Surely they don't mind continuing handing over their "hardly earned" money to have the unions protect their sorry asses.

146 posted on 06/27/2018 9:27:30 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: unixfox

That’s true. But it is going to hurt them a lot.


147 posted on 06/27/2018 9:29:42 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

But, again, is that what will occur? I bet not.


148 posted on 06/27/2018 9:30:41 AM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!y)
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To: NohSpinZone
In violent agreement with you. Now I’m hoping for a case that goes to the SCOTUS to invalidate the very idea of public sector unions.

I don't see that happening. In fact, it would probably be a violation of the First Amendment's free association clause.

149 posted on 06/27/2018 9:31:28 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Well that’s not across the board. US military employees cannot unionize and you’d think that would have been challenged by now if what you say is true.


150 posted on 06/27/2018 9:36:27 AM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: freedumb2003

“So no more forced union dues?”

correct.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-deals-big-setback-labor-unions-140507353—finance.html


151 posted on 06/27/2018 9:40:42 AM PDT by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: luv2ski; All

Wisconsin’s hard won, ‘Act 10’ is going NATIONAL, Baby!

“The 2011 Wisconsin Act 10, also known as the Wisconsin Budget Repair Bill,[1] was legislation proposed by Republican Governor Scott Walker[2] and passed by the Wisconsin Legislature to address a projected $3.6 billion budget deficit.[3] The legislation primarily affected the following areas: collective bargaining, compensation, retirement, health insurance, and sick leave of public sector employees. In response, unions and other groups organized protests inside and around the state capitol. The bill was passed into law and became effective as of June 29, 2011. Public employees exempted from the changes to the collective bargaining law include firefighters and most law enforcement workers.[1] The bill was ruled to be constitutional by the Wisconsin Supreme Court in July 2014, after three years of litigation.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_Act_10

You’re Welcome! Love My Guv! :)


152 posted on 06/27/2018 10:04:39 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: FlipWilson; All

153 posted on 06/27/2018 10:07:08 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Reno89519

I doubt the municipalities want to be sued into oblivion by violating the SCOTUS ruling.


154 posted on 06/27/2018 10:11:32 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (We need a consent decree for the FBI like Obama was slapping on all those police agencies.)
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To: NohSpinZone
Well that’s not across the board. US military employees cannot unionize and you’d think that would have been challenged by now if what you say is true.

You're right -- it's not across the board. In Parker v. Levy, the Supreme Court pointed out that First Amendment rights of military members are limited more than are the rights of civilians.

But in Smith v. Arkansas State Highway Employees, the Supreme Court held that civilian government employees had a constitutional right to freely associate as members of a union, though there wasn't a legal obligation for the government to actually recognize them as a union, or bargain with them collectively.

So if you think what I said isn't true, go argue with the Supreme Court. I'm just telling you what they've already said on that issue.

155 posted on 06/27/2018 10:18:30 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Don’t bet on it. There have already been pushes in various blue states to get laws changed in anticipation of this ruling:

https://www.watchdog.org/national/states-making-legislative-moves-months-before-janus-decision-expected/article_fa248504-3448-11e8-a434-334470fdf4e2.html

Don’t kid yourself that this will happen in your next paycheck.

There are 10s of Millions of dollars at stake here, the unions aren’t going to just role over no matter what the Supreme Court said.


156 posted on 06/27/2018 10:35:01 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

I understand what the RULING says, but the ruling doesn’t mean that every public sector union is going to obey it starting today...

This ruling has been anticipated for over a year, if you think the Public Sector unions are just going to roll over you are naive.

https://www.watchdog.org/national/states-making-legislative-moves-months-before-janus-decision-expected/article_fa248504-3448-11e8-a434-334470fdf4e2.html


157 posted on 06/27/2018 10:36:52 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

No it wouldn’t, there was no such thing as a federal employees union until Kennedy... Before that there were not federal employee unions... you were a civil servant... which is what you should be... not a union member.


158 posted on 06/27/2018 10:37:47 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: luv2ski

This is not only catastrophic for the unions’ payroll, but it is also catastrophic for their propaganda, which especially affects our teachers, and in turn, their students.


159 posted on 06/27/2018 10:47:08 AM PDT by keats5
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To: luv2ski
also from SCOTUS blog: Of practical importance, the Court also holds that employees must affirmatively consent before fees can be withheld from their paychecks —the system must be opt-in, not opt-out.

That is a huge change.

160 posted on 06/27/2018 10:49:39 AM PDT by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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