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Americans Are Having Fewer Babies. They Told Us Why. (NY Times)
New York Times ^ | July 5, 2018 | Claire Cain Miller

Posted on 07/05/2018 2:53:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

Jessica Boer, 26, kissing her cat Kip at her home in Portage, Mich. Like an increasing number of people in her generation, she does not plan to have children. “Now we know we have a choice,” she said.

Wanting more leisure time and personal freedom; not having a partner yet; not being able to afford child-care — these were the top reasons young adults gave for not being sure they wanted children, reports a new survey conducted by Morning Consult for the NYT.

About a quarter said they expected to have fewer than they wanted. The largest shares said they delayed or stopped having children because of concerns about having enough time or money.

It is partly about greater gender equality. Women have more agency over their lives; motherhood has become more of a choice.

But it’s also a story of economic insecurity. Young people have record student debt, many graduated in a recession and can’t afford homes — all as parenthood has become more expensive.

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David Carlson, 29, graduated from college in 2010, when the job market was still rough. He and his wife had $100,000 in undergraduate debt between them. They both work full time — he in corporate finance and she in counseling — but they don’t yet feel they can take time away from their careers.

He said they’d consider adoption if they decided to have children but had waited too long. Another option for having children later in life is egg freezing. Only 1 percent of female survey respondents said they had frozen their eggs — but almost half said they would if not for the cost.

Whether the young generation will catch up later is not certain, but will depend on their capacity to combine work and family.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthrate; career; deathofthewest; feminism; genderwars; pregnancy
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To: Mrs. Don-o
attitude

Youngers today do not view life as a fun ride or an interesting endeavor, rather ... it is hard and boring and full of problems that cost time, money and effort.

Marriage ?

Waddaya' KIDDIN' me ?

Even country kids don't "get" the simplicity of a place to live, something to do that pays enough money and someone to share it with.

It is not complicated.

The socialist indoctrination of public schools have their brain FILLED with crap that creeps in at all times and doesn't let go.

Kind'a like we oldsters hear a 50's or 60's song and we're off dreamin' for half a day.

THEY have Miss McGilicuddy's scratchy voice tellin' them they'd better study so they can go to college and get a job.

It's all in the mind .... the memories .... the self motivation instilled by positive dreams.

I can do all things through Christ which (who) strengtheneth me

41 posted on 07/05/2018 3:33:30 PM PDT by knarf (NO 17 year olds and very few 18 year olds are in a military combat zone .... for many reasons.)
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To: editor-surveyor

GIRLS can go blind, too ?


42 posted on 07/05/2018 3:34:37 PM PDT by knarf (NO 17 year olds and very few 18 year olds are in a military combat zone .... for many reasons.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

There’s a cause & effect vicious circle in play.

In the big cities, everyone needs to work; because everyone else is. The “poverty line” today is about where the median family income was 50 years ago. However, in big cities, you’re bidding against everyone else for location — in particular, a location reasonably near to work. Two-income couples are, in effect, spending that entire second income to buy proximity to work.


43 posted on 07/05/2018 3:35:17 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Why do they have her sitting on an American flag?

Anyway, it is birth control

High taxes. High real estate. Cost of transportation.

But it is birth control

These people will have no one to take care of them when theyre old. Not even a spouse

It is terrible planning.


44 posted on 07/05/2018 3:35:22 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The problem is not of ability. It’s of unrealistic expectations. Feminism created that for us.


45 posted on 07/05/2018 3:35:40 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Traitors are more dangerous than enemies. Vote and act accordingly.)
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To: Tax-chick; a fool in paradise; Dilbert San Diego
The article said about a quarter of the responents said they have, or expect to have, fewer children than they want to have. They are foregoing having kids even though they want them.

And here's another piece of the puzzle: according to Dr. Brian Ray, HSLDA-related researcher, referencing U.S. Labor Dept statistics, homeschooling families are to be found at every income level. Keep in mind that homeschooling couples generally have one working full-time, one homeschooling full-time. They have one income, maybe one-and-a-half if the teaching spouse also, say, works at home part time.

But somehow, some households manage living on one income at every income level.

The homeschooling decision seems to be determined, not by what their income is, but by what their values are.

I'm thinking the same goes for the decision to have kids in the first place.

46 posted on 07/05/2018 3:36:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: ealgeone

Your dad grew up in a different time where that phrase wouldn’t create very real life disasters if you followed it.


47 posted on 07/05/2018 3:38:24 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Traitors are more dangerous than enemies. Vote and act accordingly.)
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To: Blue Jays

not and be people


48 posted on 07/05/2018 3:38:29 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... In August our cities will be burning))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Jessica Boer, 26, kissing her cat Kip at her home in Portage, Mich. Like an increasing number of people in her generation, she does not plan to have children. “Now we know we have a choice,” she said.

People like her will still expect MY kids to pick up the tab for her Social Security old age welfare payments even though she didn't produce any offspring herself to fund her retirement benefits.

49 posted on 07/05/2018 3:38:39 PM PDT by Sparticus (Primary the Tuesday group!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I notice she’s porking out rather nicely.


50 posted on 07/05/2018 3:39:13 PM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats. - P.J. ORourke)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Porking? This is a slender lady. A tiny roundness at the belly? I think it's cute. Of course, I'm just a gal myself, so what would I know? --- but I'm thinking think she'd be be comfortable.

More comfortable than a bony gal!

51 posted on 07/05/2018 3:40:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

I agree, mostly financial. They owe huge sums of debt to big academia and the economy has only ticked up since Trump won. There are alot of millenials who have not jump started their careers.


52 posted on 07/05/2018 3:40:49 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

That is definitely a problem. Not to mention the millions of out-of-wedlock babies in the welfare system.


53 posted on 07/05/2018 3:41:22 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I say if people want kids, good, have them but raise them well.

If people don’t want kids, don’t have them, spare the kids and the rest of us from doing a half-assed job.

Either way, either choice, is a selfish one, one isnt better than another from a moral point of view. When people say ‘dont you want kids to take care of you when you are older’ as justification for having kids, they cant see the selfishness of that reason.


54 posted on 07/05/2018 3:42:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Chickensoup; Mrs. Don-o

One of my father’s neighbors out in Missouri had ten children, as I do. They were pretty well off - big extended family, farming and trucking, some local elected officials. Their house was around the size mine is, but it had one tiny bathroom and a tiny kitchen. Only the ground floor had electricity and running water.


55 posted on 07/05/2018 3:43:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Fill in my standard rant.)
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To: colorado tanker
What...you forgot COMPLETELY about the BABY BOOM, after WW II came to a close?

The "GREAT DEPRESSION" slowed down the number of children most young people had prior to WW II; though not for every one.

Until "the Pill", contraceptives were NOT "fail proof"; however, that did help to not having kids that people couldn't afford to have.

And nobody needs to have a massive amount of kids to work the farm, or bring in extra money ( child labor laws sort of put the kibosh on that too )these days.

Factual history...learn some.

OTOH...the fact is that more and more Millennials refuse to grow up and are selfish.

56 posted on 07/05/2018 3:43:27 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: stanne

"...These people will have nobody to take care of them when they’re old..."


Having children as an “insurance policy” for old age is not a guarantee.
The child might become a drug addict who overdoses and predeceases his or her own parents.
Maybe the kid is just selfish, moves away, and rarely speaks with his or her folks. Children are not always completely reliable.


57 posted on 07/05/2018 3:46:21 PM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Sounds like a justification of murder. If you you don’t want kids, don’t have sexual intercourse.

(Sperm + vagina = child) Duh!


58 posted on 07/05/2018 3:47:22 PM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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To: Simon Green

No, they aren’t and neither is having a whole battalion of kids.


59 posted on 07/05/2018 3:50:48 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Tax-chick

My aunt and uncle had 10 kids. originally had a 1 1/2 three bedroom Started packing the boys in the daylight basement and put a shower down there, and squeezed another one in the half bath. The place was always a freaking mess, bedause they had a farm and mom worked part time, just busy lives. after the kids were out they renovated. turned it into a nice home.


60 posted on 07/05/2018 3:54:31 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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