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Americans Are Having Fewer Babies. They Told Us Why. (NY Times)
New York Times ^ | July 5, 2018 | Claire Cain Miller

Posted on 07/05/2018 2:53:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

Jessica Boer, 26, kissing her cat Kip at her home in Portage, Mich. Like an increasing number of people in her generation, she does not plan to have children. “Now we know we have a choice,” she said.

Wanting more leisure time and personal freedom; not having a partner yet; not being able to afford child-care — these were the top reasons young adults gave for not being sure they wanted children, reports a new survey conducted by Morning Consult for the NYT.

About a quarter said they expected to have fewer than they wanted. The largest shares said they delayed or stopped having children because of concerns about having enough time or money.

It is partly about greater gender equality. Women have more agency over their lives; motherhood has become more of a choice.

But it’s also a story of economic insecurity. Young people have record student debt, many graduated in a recession and can’t afford homes — all as parenthood has become more expensive.

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David Carlson, 29, graduated from college in 2010, when the job market was still rough. He and his wife had $100,000 in undergraduate debt between them. They both work full time — he in corporate finance and she in counseling — but they don’t yet feel they can take time away from their careers.

He said they’d consider adoption if they decided to have children but had waited too long. Another option for having children later in life is egg freezing. Only 1 percent of female survey respondents said they had frozen their eggs — but almost half said they would if not for the cost.

Whether the young generation will catch up later is not certain, but will depend on their capacity to combine work and family.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthrate; career; deathofthewest; feminism; genderwars; pregnancy
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To: fruser1; Mrs. Don-o
Here’s a few things - the average cost of a new car in the 70s was about 10% of the average salary. Now it’s over 50%.

My mother passed away 3 years ago, and while cleaning out her things, came across the invoice from the hospital for my oldest sister's birth. 1955, 7 days in hospital (shared room), anesthesiologist, attending OB-GYN, treatment for jaundice. Total $270. I calculated that was about 5-6% of my Father's yearly entry-level white-collar income at that time.

5-6% of today's median income would be about $2800-$3000. Cam you have a child in a hospital for that amount today?

81 posted on 07/05/2018 4:14:42 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: RedStateRocker

I agree with you. I never wanted kids, and had no maternal urge. It gets me angry when people get on their high horse and say we are selfish, even though my tax dollars are paying for your kids education.


82 posted on 07/05/2018 4:15:00 PM PDT by kaila
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To: JamesP81

No he’s not. You may not be able to live in a great neighborhood or have a nice car but if family is important it’s doable.


83 posted on 07/05/2018 4:16:51 PM PDT by Varda
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To: JamesP81; Varda
"Only rich people can afford stay-at-home wives"?

That doesn't explain how there could be home-schooling families (which are generally one-income) at every income level in the U.S. economy.

#46

84 posted on 07/05/2018 4:22:04 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Saying "I can't afford X" really means "I have other things that are more important to me than X, and those things consume all my available time and money".

Makes sense.

85 posted on 07/05/2018 4:22:53 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Varda

So your solution is to live in a garbage neighborhood and try to raise kids in it?

I am too old to be a millennial, but their parents (boomers) are supremely ignorant of the economic reality.

Listening to the advice of the boomer generation has done more material harm to millennials than most other single factors.


86 posted on 07/05/2018 4:23:06 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Traitors are more dangerous than enemies. Vote and act accordingly.)
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To: RedStateRocker

"...Amen to that..."


Amen indeed!
I have never understood bristling FReeper hostility aimed at people who opt to be childless.
Besides, childless people tend to be far better neighbors, too. :-)


87 posted on 07/05/2018 4:25:32 PM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This generally involves the working parent becoming a wage slave. I certainly don’t find any fault with those who refuse such a life.

Either that or Mom and Dad are helping. You would not believe how many married millennials in my church are having their bills paid by Mom and Dad. It is absurd and unseemly.


88 posted on 07/05/2018 4:28:03 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Traitors are more dangerous than enemies. Vote and act accordingly.)
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To: JamesP81

The working parent? Wage SLAVE?


89 posted on 07/05/2018 4:30:35 PM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Why can’t they do it now?

Because their buying power has been diminished since we were young.


90 posted on 07/05/2018 4:33:45 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: JamesP81
"The problem is not of ability. It’s of unrealistic expectations. Feminism created that for us."

--- True, feminism did that.

Plus our entertainment culture --- movies, magazines, broadcast and electronic media --- which give the VERY STRONG, persistent, penetrating and persuasive impression that everybody is sexier, better-dressed, better-looking, and has a better career, better house, car(s), vacation-spot, and spouse, than you do.

Dude, our economy runs on envy.

91 posted on 07/05/2018 4:35:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Vaquero

“How come no tattoo?”

Don’t give her any ideas!


92 posted on 07/05/2018 4:37:22 PM PDT by utahagen (but but)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

Money is tight because we are paying social security to people living in their 90’s who were “supposed” to die in their early seventies. Plus disability to millions under retirement age.


93 posted on 07/05/2018 4:40:44 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Chickensoup

We have four boys in one room. I try to stay out of there because it reeks.


94 posted on 07/05/2018 4:40:56 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Fill in my standard rant.)
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To: Chickensoup

I remember a character in one of H. Allen Smith’s books (set in 1960s Texas) explaining that you had to have three sons: one to get killed in a car wreck, one to turn out sorry, and one to take care of you when you get old.


95 posted on 07/05/2018 4:43:16 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Feminism! Women have forgotten who they are.


96 posted on 07/05/2018 4:43:38 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: stanne

Poor planning boomers are working later, clogging up the promotion paths. They are career path log jams.


97 posted on 07/05/2018 4:46:38 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Secret Agent Man
When people say ‘dont you want kids to take care of you when you are older’ as justification for having kids, they cant see the selfishness of that reason.

I agree. Not to mention, most of the folks in the old folks homes DO have kids. They visit once a month.

98 posted on 07/05/2018 4:49:10 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: JamesP81
“Garbage neighborhoods” have lots of people raising good kids. The fact that you think you can't says more about you than them.

BTW you don't have to live in a neighborhood at all. There are a lot of rural places that are cheap to live.

99 posted on 07/05/2018 4:51:21 PM PDT by Varda
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’ve been very impressed with home-schooling families. Kids are their priority and it shows. Some do it on a very working class income.


100 posted on 07/05/2018 4:53:40 PM PDT by Varda
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