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To: papertyger
You have an interesting point of view. If I understand you believe it is more defining to be a woman vs a man than to be an individual.

I consider that a given woman may have any trait to a greater or lesser extent than any man and the sum of the traits & behaviors defines the individual, not the gender. To me a mind is not gendered and people who cherish honor, responsibility and kindness are kindred spirits whatever the color, gender, age or race.

Gender is a characteristic of a person and is immutable like race but is just one of many that describe a person. I see my point of view is alien to you but isn't that actually the purpose of places like FR? For trying to express my belief system honestly so that we might better understand each other, and both gain in the exercise you accuse me of duplicity. I can only be myself, I can be no other.

Intentionally conflating generalizations with a universal premise is a time-worn tactic of liberal mendacity, and unfit for anyone who claims to be a person of goodwill.

This statement delivers no context to me. If I do not accept your premise as true then a universal premise is a is merely a generalization. For the record I was not even a liberal in my youth and now I am old.

39 posted on 07/15/2018 2:07:23 AM PDT by JayGalt (You can't teach a donkey how to tap dance.)
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To: JayGalt
If I do not accept your premise as true then a universal premise is a is merely a generalization.

You’ve got it backward, chief. That is if I correctly understand your fractured sentence.

You were given a generalization, and you justified your behavior by treating it as if you were given an explicitly universal premise. That is a “straw man” by definition.

42 posted on 07/16/2018 2:54:20 PM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: JayGalt
I see my point of view is alien to you but isn't that actually the purpose of places like FR? For trying to express my belief system honestly so that we might better understand each other, and both gain in the exercise you accuse me of duplicity. I can only be myself, I can be no other.

Your “point of view” happens to be the status quo. Therefore, it is very easy for you to presume your point is made without ever actually making it.

The only way for me to break through your presumption is do demonstrate where your position violates universal norms of logic and reason, not to make fancy insults (as you seem to believe is my motivation).

FR is indeed the place to discuss such differences, but it requires discussion, not rote repetition of the cliches underpinning the status quo.

43 posted on 07/16/2018 3:10:07 PM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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