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The Coming Welfare Wars
realclearpolitics.com ^ | July 19, 2018 | Robert J. Samuelson

Posted on 07/20/2018 4:15:26 PM PDT by upchuck

WASHINGTON -- The Trump administration may have declared it over, but a new War on Poverty is coming anyways. It will be fought largely over the "work requirement" -- should the government require welfare recipients either to get a job or to train for one? It's a philosophical as much as a practical question.

A work requirement addresses a dilemma of all welfare programs. If you make eligibility and benefits too generous, you destroy the incentive to work. People will just collect their welfare checks. But if the program is too stingy and strict, many genuinely needy people may lack support. A work requirement tries to disarm this dilemma by conditioning welfare benefits on having a job or training for one.

There's already a work requirement for TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families). That's traditional welfare; it mainly assists single mothers and their children. Now the Trump administration proposes work requirements for two huge programs: Medicaid, health insurance for the poor; and food stamps, now known as SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program).

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KEYWORDS: ebt; snap; tanf; welfare
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TANF = TEMPORARY assistance for needy families.
SNAP = SUPPLEMENTAL nutrition assistance program.

The problem, IMHO, is that TANF is not temporary and SNAP is not supplemental.

IMHO, you should be allowed to accept government aid twice in your lifetime and each time not longer for than six months.

Six months is enough time to find new housing, start over, get a good job or what have you. The idea that SNAP or TANF can become a way of life is completely wrong.

1 posted on 07/20/2018 4:15:26 PM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

If they are able to work, they should get a job or train for one...

If they are unable to work or disabled, they should get in a welfare program that fits them...


2 posted on 07/20/2018 4:19:29 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: upchuck
But if the program is too stingy and strict, many genuinely needy people may lack support.

God forbid you have to scrape out a living. I have got up at hours like 4:00 am my whole life to work for strict and dare I say it, "stingy" employers. Boo whoo freakin' whoo.

3 posted on 07/20/2018 4:20:11 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: upchuck
make-em clean the sh!t up off the streets in san fransh!thole and every other city in America
4 posted on 07/20/2018 4:25:54 PM PDT by Chode ( We’re America, Bitch!)
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To: fhayek

Until you add up all the good Lord gave you that you didn’t deserve before all these rigors were even possible. Stay away from broad brushes or one day the Lord may let Satan make you cry over how your proud self effort failed!


5 posted on 07/20/2018 4:27:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: upchuck

The “single mothers with children” is what broke up many families. Want of a welfare check drove the man out of the house. Now you have the baby daddy culture. Govt pays by the kid, so, more kids=bigger check. The fertile woman is now the breadwinner. This is multi generational and won’t be an easy fix.


6 posted on 07/20/2018 4:28:05 PM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The way I look at it, if you are pulling money out of my wallet, I have the right to pull out any size brush that I choose.


7 posted on 07/20/2018 4:33:07 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: bk1000

When churches were coaxed into letting Uncle Sam do it, the gospel voice was stilled. Men could easily rationalize that it was a kindness to back away from baby mamas.


8 posted on 07/20/2018 4:33:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: fhayek

Guess what, Romans 13. Tell lies, get turned into fries. What made it possible for that money to be inserted? It wasn’t just you.


9 posted on 07/20/2018 4:35:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: upchuck

Abolish SNAP Today and set up Soup Kitchens every Block where needed.


10 posted on 07/20/2018 5:39:40 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: upchuck
HOLY SNAP!!!

"First, these programs are huge. According to a new report by President Trump's Council of Economic Advisers (CEA), Medicaid had 71 million recipients in 2016 and cost $566 billion, counting both federal and state contributions. (The program is jointly funded.) SNAP spending in 2016 totaled $71 billion for 44 million beneficiaries. TANF is the smallest program of the group, with spending of $31 billion for 3.9 million recipients."

At work I see very few disabled Americans on Medicaid, most are foreigners. A lot are Muslims who came over with the lottery program.

The Rats are buying votes and handing the bill to the middle class. Saw the same thing in Communist Yugoslavia when I visited family in the 80's. There was no middle class. Just the poor and the ruling elites

11 posted on 07/20/2018 5:55:07 PM PDT by lizma2
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A new requirement we should add - if a family signs up for welfare, teen girls and women who could have children MUST have an IUD or Norplant.

If you cannot afford the children you have, we cannot afford for you to have another one. We can’t trust you to be smart enough or responsible enough to maintain birth control that is easy to screw up, and it is unfair to demand the public pay for (or force) abortions.

When you are either able to support yourself or marry someone who does, the implant/IUD comes out.

This eliminates the temptation to have a baby to avoid having to go to work or train. It avoids the accidental pregnancies that keep other women trapped in a deteriorating situation.


12 posted on 07/20/2018 5:58:08 PM PDT by tbw2
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The only folks deserving of Government help are veterans.
Lives risked. Bodies and minds damaged.
They’ve earned a helping hand.

The rest . . . feed yourself, or die.
You are not MY problem.
I simply don’t give a Shiite anymore.

And don’t quote your Bible horse hockey.
If folks believed in the good word, many wouldn’t be in such a state of affairs.


13 posted on 07/20/2018 5:59:52 PM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: bk1000

Long time ago fertility clinics in California got busted for supplying service to single welfare moms.

Johnson’s Great Society.


14 posted on 07/20/2018 6:01:42 PM PDT by lizma2
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“The only folks deserving of Government help are veterans.”

YES!!!! Going to Walter Reed tomorrow to volunteer and show my thanks.


15 posted on 07/20/2018 6:04:36 PM PDT by lizma2
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To: upchuck

>>many genuinely needy people may lack support.<<

Is there anyone here who can describe the criteria for categorizing people as “genuinely needy”?


16 posted on 07/20/2018 7:25:23 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat ( I would propound that that RT AmeriObama's legacy to the USA: A Criminalized Department of Justice.)
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To: upchuck

Ben Franklin talked about the evil of making the poor comfortable in their poverty.


17 posted on 07/20/2018 8:23:53 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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What irritates is seeing people in Wal-Mart eating better that I do on stamps and see their nice clothes, fancy nail jobs, expensive hairdo’s and driving new cars.

Also seeing them buying gum, Getting $20 cash back to buy their cigs.


18 posted on 07/20/2018 8:32:11 PM PDT by oldasrocks (rump)
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To: upchuck

you left out

SNAFU

DILLIGAFF

Career politicians and Career Welfare recipients are NOT what the founding fathers were thinking of..

We are so ‘deep’ in the welfare fraud game that 3 and 4 generations of certain families think it is the way to go as it is the ONLY way they have ever seen it, not only in a single family but the system is so screwed up why have Apartment houses full of such people. (Which we ALSO pay the rent and taxes and upkeep AND ask for volunteers every so often to clean the area up).


19 posted on 07/20/2018 8:32:22 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)""If bacon kills you and smoking kills you, How come you smoke bacon to cure it?")
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“A new requirement we should add - if a family signs up for welfare, teen girls and women who could have children MUST have an IUD or Norplant.”

Straight out of godless totalitarianism 101.


20 posted on 07/20/2018 8:35:55 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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