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White House readies plan for $12 billion in emergency aid to farmers [shortened]
Washington Post ^ | 07/24/2018 | Damian Paletta and Caitlin Dewey

Posted on 07/24/2018 9:04:11 AM PDT by GIdget2004

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To: antidemoncrat

You mean ‘destroy agricultural income in places already poor’.


41 posted on 07/24/2018 10:49:30 AM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: antidemoncrat

Because then you are unable to make your loan payment, and you go bankrupt.

Same reason car companies don’t give away their excess inventory at the end of the year. Creditors have this funny way of demanding to be paid. Farmers would rather plow the crop under than pay to harvest it, process it, and then give it away.

So the tariffs are going to cost Trump in the midterms, and the ag market in the long term. South American has two to three growing seasons, and we do not. We make up for it in volume, but the cost point is to the level where it is pretty hard to turn a profit.


42 posted on 07/24/2018 11:18:16 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: Drango

Not only NO but HELL NO!!!

Wrong, wrong, wrong , wrong!!!


43 posted on 07/24/2018 11:21:27 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: central_va

My uncle’s tractor costs $500K, is self driving, and can plant according to a plot made by the drone.

And the combine is even more high tech.

Brainless? Not really. Most of the dumb farmers are long gone. Low value added?

Go back to eating your twinkies and ranting about how you wish the confederats won.


44 posted on 07/24/2018 11:21:57 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: DoodleDawg

“The funding still has to come from Congress. I doubt that there is a majority in either house willing to pass this.”

Incorrect. WSJ: “’USDA: $12 Billion Aid Package To ‘Take Advantage of Existing Authorities,’ Won’t Require Congressional Approval”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-tariffs-are-the-greatest-1532437480?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I LOVE this plan. Help our farmers while we fight and WIN the trade war. I’m expecting crop prices to rise when other countries buy US products instead of China.


45 posted on 07/24/2018 11:24:15 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
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To: DoodleDawg
Manufacturing in general is around 12.3 million.

Farming < 1 million.

46 posted on 07/24/2018 11:28:14 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: redgolum
My uncle’s tractor costs $500K, is self driving, and can plant according to a plot made by the drone.

The value added and the engineering and brain work came in making the tractor, not in growing soy.

The lion share of farmers do not own combines and .5 million buck tractors.

47 posted on 07/24/2018 11:30:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: DoodleDawg
The rest of the world practices protectionism. The rest of the world charges really high import tariff on our exports, the rest of the world operates with a trade surplus. So there must be something good about import tariffs, right?

So you point out all the possible negative aspects of raising our import tariff so they are more in line with the rest of the worlds tariff rates but can you name ONE thing good about raising tariffs? Intellectual honesty would be appreciated. (but not expected).

48 posted on 07/24/2018 11:38:41 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: DoodleDawg

I guess the 12$ billion is supposed to help cover losses until a better trade deal can be made. Pres. Trump is trying to level the playing field for American goods so farmers and others benefit. I guess if folks selling overseas are happy with the EU, Canada, Mexico and Asia screwing us then they should be really happy if Pres. Trump’s plans fail.


49 posted on 07/24/2018 11:44:45 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: central_va
...but can you name ONE thing good about raising tariffs? Intellectual honesty would be appreciated. (but not expected).

Raising tariffs will allow the protected industry to raise their own prices, thus increasing their revenue and maximizing their profits. So from their point of view that is one good think about tariffs.

Intellectually honest enough to qualify?

50 posted on 07/24/2018 12:17:45 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Poison Pill
Socialism on top of stupidity.

Thank you.

Remember when these socialists said Japan's "managed economy" was the economy of the future? That was 25 years of stagnation ago. But statists never learn and President Perot's worshipers will defend this to our death.

51 posted on 07/24/2018 12:50:12 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Stawp the hammering!)
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To: DoodleDawg
Raising tariffs will allow the protected industry to raise their own prices, thus increasing their revenue and maximizing their profits until more domestic suppliers come online which will put pressure to lower prices and dramatically increase US employment and wages. Domestic competition works the same as international competition to keep prices in check.

Fixed it for you.

52 posted on 07/24/2018 1:08:02 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

Most of the farmers I know and deal with do own (or make payments on) rolling stock of over $1 million. You have to in order to farm the amount of ground needed to be profitable (in the plains, around 2,500 to 3,000 acres). Fertilizer, seed lines, herbicide, and tracking of what parcel produces what (typically with Greenstar or similar tech). If you just through seed in the ground and hope for the best, just save time and move.

For livestock, a decent hog operation will have a few tens of thousand head in different iso buildings, most are automatically controlled. So five guys maintain the operation (or less, though that is a lot of ground to cover). The breeding is done with specialized lines of genetics and artificial insemination. While some “organic” farms still use boars, I know of no major operation that does things the old fashioned way.

For cattle feed lots.. The ones I’ve dealt with, and I have dealt with quite a few, have a nutritionist on staff or partner with another corp to have one with them. Feed rations are optimized for climate, yield, and cost per pound produced. Getting the ration right is the difference between making a decent amount of money or going broke in a cycle. The good operations have a few marketing guys (Angus cattle for instance!), and that all takes money.

Sorry if that doesn’t conform to your eastern biases.

Farming is not some toothless guy with a dozen chickens. Those guys, where they exist, are hobby farmers. Now, I know a few of them. They make me laugh. Doing things that way would mean the US and the world would have a famine in short order. They typically are doing it as a hobby (heck, I approach my garden the same way!).

But what do i know. I have just been working with ag and ag products for most of my life.

A very entertaining book, The Last Centurion by John Ringo, has a sub plot about how the “average” farm is operated, and what happens when a bunch of grasshoppers take over. Hint, look at Zimbabwe.


53 posted on 07/24/2018 1:19:52 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: central_va
Raising tariffs will allow the protected industry to raise their own prices, thus increasing their revenue and maximizing their profits until more domestic suppliers come online which will put pressure to lower prices and dramatically increase US employment and wages.

Or not.

54 posted on 07/24/2018 1:20:45 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Clearly you have zero understanding of economics. It’s the law of supply and demand you idiot. Go away you anti Trumper.


55 posted on 07/24/2018 1:22:24 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

“Single-country” supply & demand?


56 posted on 07/24/2018 1:25:14 PM PDT by Drago
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To: central_va
Clearly you have zero understanding of economics. It’s the law of supply and demand you idiot.

LOL! I'm the one with zero understanding of economics????

57 posted on 07/24/2018 1:26:43 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

You know nothing of price competition and market share. That is clear to me. Those are basic to understanding modern economics.


58 posted on 07/24/2018 1:29:40 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Drago
"Single-country” supply & demand?

Yes, are you saying if the rest of the world disappeared then there would be no supply and demand, no competition?

59 posted on 07/24/2018 4:10:42 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

Straw Man...and the current commodities market is a warped “supply & demand/competition” market (i.e milk, soybeans, corn, etc.).


60 posted on 07/24/2018 4:20:14 PM PDT by Drago
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