Posted on 08/09/2018 2:17:37 AM PDT by Cronos
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia executed a man by crucifixion in the holy city of Mecca on Wednesday amid waging a public-relations battle with Canada over human rights.
The man, Elias Abulkalaam Jamaleddeen, was accused of murder, theft, and attempted rape, according to Bloomberg.
Saudi Arabia, ruled by its interpretation of Islamic law, rarely carries out crucifixions, but capital punishment remains common.
Crimes in Saudi Arabia such as homosexuality and attending anti-government rallies have previously led to crucifixion sentences. Unlike the biblical crucifixions carried out by the Romans against Christians in antiquity, Saudi crucifixions usually involve displaying a beheaded corpse in public on a cross.
...But the UK and the US — two countries that maintain close ties with both Ottawa and Riyadh — have remained relatively silent.
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“That we are not implementing the same sanctions against Saudia that we have in place against Iran”
As Churchill said, “Nations do not have friends. Nations have common interests.” The interests of the UK and the financial and humanitarian interests of the US vastly exceed its interests in how Saudi Arabia treats its own citizens. The financial and military interests of the US in controlling an even worse evil, Iran, would be greatly at risk if our ability to use SA airspace and navigation rights were impeded.
Think of it like World War II. Suddenly, the US was “best friends” with murderous “Uncle” Joe Stalin. Times of need make for strange bedfellows. The Soviets killed eight of every eleven German soldiers who died during the war. Should the US and the UK have not allied with the Soviets because Stalin was a homicidal maniac? If we take the moral high ground, yes. What would the cost of that moral stance have been to American and British soldiers?
The reality is, Saudi Arabia pumps eleven million barrels of oil per day and has somewhere between 16-18 percent of the world’s known reserves. If the US and the UK enforced sanctions, what would that do to the world economy, and how many innocent people would starve to death as a result? There is a bigger picture to consider. For each additional dollar a barrel of oil costs, how many people in marginally surviving countries would starve to death? And, what would those sanctions cause in Saudi Arabia? The US and the UK cooperate with the Saudi regimen because it’s likely that whatever takes its place will be more horrible than we can easily imagine.
The Middle East is not a case of good versus Evil. It is a case of one evil versus a worse evil. You pick your poison and hope you’ll survive.
This being an islimic execution, I knew there had to be a beheading in there somewhere. No ‘slime activity is complete unless somebody’s hacking off body parts.
There is also this:
"If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
- Winston Churchill
it is scandalous that:
The US and UK are keeping silent instead of criticizing the Sauds
That we are not implementing the same sanctions against Saudia that we have in place against Iran>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
NOPE!
Canada is governed by weird liberal fascists who are so confident of their superiority they are evenly smug.
The fact ius that that Canada’s village idiot Justin Trudeau
doubled down on his foot stamping hissy fit against Saudi Arabia in supporting his “minister” of foreign affairs Freeland, who is a femino-nazi prig seeking to impose a neo-colonial liberal morality of the Saudi Kingdom, concerning internal Sharia law that has been there over 1000 years in that area.
What a laugh to see Trudeau and Freeland attempting to pussy whip the Saudi princes! Buahahahahahaha!
Problem is though, Canada will now lose billions from its economy as the Sauds pull out their students, patients, diplomats, air lines, travel companies,and investments in Canada.
The new Slogan for these manic Canadian liberals and their neo-colonial superiority is : “ What Price Smugness?”
If you are a Canadian do not go to Saudi Arabia, your smugness may cost your head.
Freeland needs to be run out on a rail but Canada’s femino-nazis think this their “finest” hour even though they wallow in a pile of their own demented shit.
Which loans can they “call in?”
The United States Treasury sells bonds that are not callable by the owner.
Canada’s economy is almost three times the size of the Saudis. Canada’s economy is Diversified and 10th largest in the world. The Saudi economy is a one-trick pony and is 19th in the world. They make absolutely nothing that Canada needs. Canadians are smart hard-working people, the Saudis are the laziest stupidest people on Earth. The Canadians will be just fine, the Throwbacks are the ones writing checks they can’t cash. Canada has a demonstrated history of being able to defend itself. The Saudis count on Canadians and others to defend them.
This distinction means they didn't crucify him at all. They beheaded him.
I’m a bit concerned about human rights in Canada myself.
I hear they do this thing up there called “Kicking the Convert”. Shameful!
Since when has a liberal leftist ever needed a legitimate gripe to bitch and moan about anything?
Its confusing for them to try to complain about everyone else’s hypocrisy while they are busy being hypocrites themselves.
I hate it when I redundantly repeat myself when ever I talk about liberals!
in the case of an electric chair or firing squad, there is a brief level of suffering, but lesser than the other two as your adrenaline is pumping long enough to keep your pain levels lower until you are dead. The time taken to die is short - seconds ideally.
Gas chamber - if talking of the modern procedure of first giving you anaesthesia, basically next to no pain, just slipping away. If the Nazis then terror for a few minutes and pain for a minute or two (intense pain) with zyklon B
Crucifixion as practised by the Romans was meant to keep you alive for days while you slowly suffocated. Jesus died quicker than expected -- you know why they broke the legs, so that the crucified could not longer push themselves up to stay alive.
They are not friendlier to us than Iran - they’re just sneakier. Every single one of the attacks on America soil have been carried out by those under Saudi wahabbi teachings. And most of the 9/11 murderers were Saudis and 0 iranians
you’re talking about punishments last really used in pre-Victorian times. That’s a straw man
Iran is the lesser evil. A pox on both houses, but tying ourselves to the bigger devil (Saudia) has hurt the US and the west as a whole
If the USA stopped supporting Saudia in any and all ways and let Iran attack it, the next day you would see the Sunni powers of Egypt, Turkey and Pakistan all jointly attack Iran
If the USA and UK enforced sanctions on Saudi, oil prices would rise, but this would barely affect the marginally surviving countries -- they aren't as dependent on oil as the west.
That said, I don't like how they do it. But since I'm not a citizen of it, I don't have any say.
+1
I guess the Saudis want to send the same message the Romans did - break the law, die horribly!. You revolt against the Roman Imperial State this is how you are punished, you commit murder in SA this is how you are punished.
There are hundreds of ways to influence a culture. Cultures change over time even without wars. Probably the best way for Saudi Arabia to modernize is to continue failing. Their entire culture is on a collision with reality. The price of oil in real purchasing terms will continue to drop as more and more oil comes on line that was previously unreachable for one reason or another. They have already agreed to let women drive. They have sent home a huge number of imported laborers. They are adapting their population to work in real jobs, some for the first time. (Failing miserably there, but time will improve their performance.) They are developing a huge trade city where few of their religious laws apply. Most likely, the water for that city will flow from Israel. They are seeking foreign investment which means they must alter their culture or it won’t occur. The resent arrest (for “corruption) of dozens (or more) of Saudis who were held until they released some or most of their assets was more than likely a move to curb support of terrorism. (It resulted shortly after Trump sent high level emissaries to SA.)
Just attacking or allowing an attack on Saudi Arabia could cause chaos in the entire world. No war goes according to plan. It always gets messier and lasts longer than was envisioned. Recall, in almost every conflict the politicians promised the soldiers would “be home by Christmas.” Not only is the risk great, as many of those countries have acknowledged nuclear weapons or may, like Saudi Arabia, have purchased nuclear weapons, but the fallout, both literal and figurative, will be widespread and worldwide. The kingdom is moving in the right direction. If Trump were to initiate, in effect, a war, he can kiss his next term goodbye. It’s just not worth the risks.
You mean three people saying they heard someone did something bad, and what the hell...why not you?
You mean that kind of “evidence”? Ha ha.
I believe the nails were used in special cases. Most of the the time they were just strapped up on the cross. The pressure of trying to support yourself while your arms are splayed eventually leads to a collapsed lung.
The methods of torture in the past were particularly grim. I have often wondered how the methods spread from one region to another. How does that conversation start:
“You know how those guys strapped people to the cross? You know what would be cool? Nailing spikes through their hands and their wrists. I bet that would sting.....”
They execute a number of innocents. And the crucifiction is to mock Christianity
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