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Kavanaugh Knew About Ramirez Allegation Much Earlier Than He Says
New York Mag ^ | Oct. 1, 2018 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 10/02/2018 6:57:53 AM PDT by Jack Black

During Brett Kavanaugh’s Senate testimony last week, Orrin Hatch asked the prospective Supreme Court justice, “When did you first hear of Ms. Ramirez’s allegations against you?” Kavanaugh replied, “In the last — in the period since then, the New Yorker story.” Hatch was referring to Deborah Ramirez’s charge that Kavanaugh humiliated her by waving his penis in her face while she was intoxicated. Kavanaugh appeared to be saying he heard of the charges after they appeared in The New Yorker in September.

NBC reports that this, like many things Kavanaugh said in his testimony, is false. Kavanaugh’s friends gathered testimony attempting to refute Ramirez’s allegations weeks before The New Yorker’s story was published. Some of the witnesses were contacted by people working on Kavanaugh’s behalf as early as July, according to text messages one witness has shared with the FBI.

This demonstrates to a near-certainty that Kavanaugh knew about the incident weeks before the story came to light. It is possible he had somehow heard about false charges being circulated in advance, worked to refute them, and then misled the Senate about when he heard about them. An alternative, more direct explanation would be that he worked to refute the charge because he knew about it from having actually done what he was accused of.

(Excerpt) Read more at nymag.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bimboeruption; chait; kavanaugh; rameriz; smearcampaign
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To: ScarletRed

-—I agree that this one worries me more than the others. She identified 20 witnesses?? If that’s true, her spotty memory won’t matter much.——

Of course her spotty memory matters. The scuttlebutt is that she can’t remember if it was him or not.

If the “victim” can’t be sure of who the guy was, then that matters.


21 posted on 10/02/2018 7:11:23 AM PDT by StoneRainbow68
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To: snarkytart

Yes he is


22 posted on 10/02/2018 7:11:29 AM PDT by Ravi
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To: Jack Black

Kavanaugh was certainly speaking of the published reports, because one cannot be SURE of allegations until they are published.

This is Fake News trying to bash a good man.


23 posted on 10/02/2018 7:11:38 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: kabar
It matters not whether the allegation is true or not. Kavanaugh lied to Congress under oath they will say.

The enemy is already saying that... notice they're backing away from the original accusations of sexual assault?

24 posted on 10/02/2018 7:13:29 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Liberals, piss off. That is all.)
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To: Jack Black

This is why they wanted to extend this circus forever, The GO should be ashamed. Pretty soon they will be saying he lied about how many ice cubes were in his cup, PLEASE GOP, END THIS CIRCUS.


25 posted on 10/02/2018 7:13:53 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: snarkytart

So, he knew that the New Yorker article was coming out. They contacted him. So, are these people stupid or what?

He’s contacted by the New Yorker, he denies it, then tries to locate the people who might help him.

Question:

“When did you first learn about the allegations of Ms. Ramierez?”

Ans:

“From the New Yorker article.”

Quest:

“When did you first learn of the New Yorker article.

Ans:

“They contacted me, (before the article was published) and asked if it were true. I said no it was not true.”


26 posted on 10/02/2018 7:14:09 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Nothing is impossible, the word itself says, "I'm possible." Audrey Hepburn)
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To: Jack Black
It is lurid, but not stupidly over the top

No. It's just stupid, in large measure because, even if it is true, it is not over the top.

27 posted on 10/02/2018 7:14:12 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: dirtboy

exactly, what a stretch.


28 posted on 10/02/2018 7:15:39 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Jack Black
Kavanaugh appeared to be saying he heard of the charges after they appeared in The New Yorker in September.

It's obvious to me that this was NOT what he was saying.

The New Yorker article says they contacted him when they were doing their research for the article.

29 posted on 10/02/2018 7:15:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will)
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To: Jack Black

An alternative explanation is that he learned of the claims as The New Yorker was contacting him and his for the story - since he’s quoted in the story, he obviously didn’t mean when he read it after it was published.


30 posted on 10/02/2018 7:18:43 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: G Larry

He would vote no anyway.

This stopped being about the truth but about the seriousness of the charge.

No matter how it ends, Kavanaugh will never get his good name back.


31 posted on 10/02/2018 7:21:32 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jack Black

“When did you first hear of Ms. Ramirez’s ***allegations*** against you?”

“In law, an allegation is a claim of a fact by a party in a pleading, charge, or defense.”

“a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.”

Kavanaugh would interpret the word “allegation” as an official or actual accusation not just rumors or scuttlebutt. Meaning that until published, it wasn’t officially (met the standard of) an allegation.

“Ms. Ramirez’s allegations”. Possibly Kavanaugh heard rumors without knowing for sure WHO was making them.

No “perjury here. Too much wiggle room to explain/clarify revise and extend his answer.


32 posted on 10/02/2018 7:22:43 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: StoneRainbow68

Hope you are correct, but I was shocked that 20 witness’ were named. Whether primary or secondary. If true, that’s a little more on the line than the others. Of course, maybe that fact is wrong too.

Ford’s case is nowhere, and Swetnick sounds like Glenn Close’s character in Fatal Attraction.


33 posted on 10/02/2018 7:24:44 AM PDT by ScarletRed
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To: Jack Black

So do you really think all those people SHE called didn’t let him know what was coming at him?


34 posted on 10/02/2018 7:24:59 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("The press is impotent when it abandons itself to falsehood."Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dirtboy

Exactly. Any proof that Kavanaugh’s friends told him? Plus how long has he been friends with them? I have old friends from grade school with whom I chat. They don’t necessarily tell me everything going on.


35 posted on 10/02/2018 7:26:22 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: Jack Black

Liberals lie. Always.


36 posted on 10/02/2018 7:30:25 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Jack Black

https://townhall.com/columnists/ryanbomberger/2018/09/27/supremely-wrong-men-were-lynched-because-of-false-sexual-allegations-n2523149


37 posted on 10/02/2018 7:31:17 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Jack Black

Unfortunately for the Left all the rumor and hearsay in a fake news story is meaningless.

What is meaningful is what the supposed coordinating witnessed are saying to the FBI and NONE of them are backing up the accusers

Your tard friend and his witless clown posse in the Democrat party can make up all the fake accusations they want and spread them as far and wide as they want, it still meaningless noise.

The ONLY thing that matters is the FBI and they are looking for facts, not hearsay, rumor and accusation.

The professional prosecutor has all ready said there would be no case here. The Maryland police said there is no case here.

Those are FACTS ,not mental masturbation by Democrat morons who have no clue what they are talking about.

so the usual poltical junkies can sit around veritably fantasizing that they have all this genius inside look into what is going on but in the end it just more useless noise.


38 posted on 10/02/2018 7:35:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (2016: For the first time since 1984, I voted for a Rep President all other votes were anti Dem)
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To: Jack Black
Deborah Ramirez’s charge that Kavanaugh humiliated her by waving his penis in her face

if this was to occur in the ladies restroom today it would be acceptable.

39 posted on 10/02/2018 7:39:41 AM PDT by Bitman
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To: ScottinVA
The enemy is already saying that

One just had to listen/see the confrontational interview of Senator Tom Cotton this weekend by John Dickerson to know where this is going. A reporter also asked Trump similar questions about Kavanaugh lying under oath. This has now become a process crime, i.e., perjury about questions having nothing to do with the alleged sexual assault.

40 posted on 10/02/2018 7:40:57 AM PDT by kabar
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