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As Republicans worry about demographics, secession in U.S. deserves attention
The Oregonian ^ | September 28, 2018 | Douglas Perry

Posted on 10/10/2018 9:00:43 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT

"Today felt very much like an update of the 1850s: Two very distinct parts of U.S. that no longer care to even fake that they respect or value the other," wrote Ron Brownstein.

But should the idea of the U.S. amicably breaking apart scare us? Maybe it should be welcomed and vigorously debated.

Michael Malice, the author of cultural commentarys, pointed out in a 2016 Observer article that the United States has "never been united culturally." Which made him question our determination to remain united politically.

"The real conundrum," he wrote, "is why two cultures should attempt to move forward as one unit when they are increasingly diverging in their world views -- and never had the same worldview to begin with."

(Malice posited this argument chiefly in terms of so-called urban elites looking down on "flyover country." "It's long past time to allow Kansans to live as they see fit, regardless of how wrongheaded they may sound -- instead of wondering 'What's the Matter with Kansas?' True, a house divided against itself cannot stand. But some houses don't need to remain standing at all."

Let's let Kansans be Kansans.

Keep in mind: Thanks in part to the "Great Compromise of 1787," the Founding Fathers set up the U.S. political system in such a way as to potentially frustrate the desires of the majority of the people and reward a resolute and united minority.

"The plan," the Washington Times wrote earlier this month, "is to convince 25 of the 31 Republican-held [state] legislatures to pass 'consent to secede' resolutions, then place the question before California voters in the form of a ballot measure, instead of vice versa."

Stated California secession campaigner Louis Marinelli: "We are going to rely on the deep hatred for California that exists in red America."

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: constitution; culturewars; cw2; secede; secession
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The more the left continues to lose, the more radicalized they will become.

Let some of these states leave, so they no longer rule the rest of us. Vermont, Oregon ...

1 posted on 10/10/2018 9:00:43 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Oh heck. Nuke Portland, Seattle, San Francisco and L A. and the entire problem would go away.


2 posted on 10/10/2018 9:06:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

There’s a novel entitled THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC based on the leftists exiting the U.S. Fun book.


3 posted on 10/10/2018 9:06:54 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: campaignPete R-CT

“Let some of these states leave, so they no longer rule the rest of us. Vermont, Oregon ... “

The UN and China don’t want control over Oregon or Vermont. They want California with its resources and ports. Screw them.


4 posted on 10/10/2018 9:08:33 PM PDT by Junk Silver ("It's a little hard to herd people onto trains when they're shooting at you." SirLurkedalot)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

The problem is multiculturalism, diversity, and illegal aliens. Complicate this with an education system that is anti-American. My kids school for example this week, one boy was simply told Columbus was bad, another got zero mention of Columbus all day. A previous year they were told Columbus Day was simply a banking holiday!


5 posted on 10/10/2018 9:10:49 PM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!y)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

FIRST, let’s see some NINETY TO TEN PERCENT VICTORIES IN SOME STATES.

Before everyone here gets all “the south shall rise again!!”, remember that 40 percent is a pretty big ####ing number, so if a state even goes 60 to 40 for a president, that’s not a state that wants to break away.

As usual, people here care what one IDIOT is saying in an article.

Besides CA, which is NUTS, and i bet it doesn’t pass THERE, the proposition, no one wants to “secede”.

I think too much winning around here is making people lose their minds and look for truth in nonsense.


6 posted on 10/10/2018 9:11:33 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

There are two nations in the country with seemingly irreconcilable differences. One wants freedom, industry, and a guiding constitution. The other wants control, dependence, and subservience to the state.

That’s a divide that defies unity.


7 posted on 10/10/2018 9:13:07 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I would prefer to just physically remove the socialist vermin from the country and put them in full-fledged socialist countries that already exist. And then never let them back in ever again.

And if they dont want to go peacefully I have a plan for that too.


8 posted on 10/10/2018 9:14:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: dp0622; Impy; fieldmarshaldj

Imp,

some of us have lost our minds ... And China wants California


9 posted on 10/10/2018 9:15:56 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Committee to Re-Elect the President ( CREEP ))
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To: BenLurkin

“Oh heck. Nuke Portland, Seattle, San Francisco and L A...”

Hey...wait till after my kid leaves Ft Lewis-McCord sometime next year.

Then you can have at it.


10 posted on 10/10/2018 9:17:28 PM PDT by moovova ( I hope Associate Justice Kavanaugh is one vindictive SOB.)
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"It's long past time to allow Kansans to live as they see fit..."

Kind of the point of states, no? Let states make their own laws without the constant interference of big fed telling their residents who they have to bake for or what kind of firearms they can own? It shouldn't take a civil war, or secession to allow states to live as they see fit.

11 posted on 10/10/2018 9:20:30 PM PDT by ETCS
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Has no one considered the security problems that would arise if CA becomes independent?

Another 1,000 mile border to protect, Chinese troops, a few million SA illegals....

A nightmare.

Much better to send in the troops, seize the state government, put Moonbeam in jail, declare martial law, suspend the right to vote and forget about letting CA go.


12 posted on 10/10/2018 9:23:48 PM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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Are these people completely screwed in their brains and living in their own fantasy world? Yes and yes. You secede and you die until such time as the survivors give up. That’s been settled.


13 posted on 10/10/2018 9:24:25 PM PDT by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

...and when our Communist friends visit the shores of fairy dust break away coastal states, who will they turn too?

Not me.


14 posted on 10/10/2018 9:24:42 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: old curmudgeon

It wouldn’t have to be the entire state of California. Just LA and SF. While we are at it let Portland and Seattle go, too, but not the rural areas of Oregon and Washington. Let’s see: Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, New York, Philadelphia, all of Massachusetts and Burlington, Vermont could be kicked out. That would leave south Florida and I’ll bet a bunch of Yankees could be persuaded to go HOME if the proper incentive were offered.


15 posted on 10/10/2018 9:30:06 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Secret Agent Man

“physically remove the socialist vermin from the country and put them in full-fledged socialist countries that already exist. And then never let them back in ever again.”

Excellent idea. There are many socialist Petri dishes to choose from. They just need a kick in the @ss to go try one. And after realizing how full of steaming crap the dream is, sorry, too late. No return. Live with the consequences.


16 posted on 10/10/2018 9:34:11 PM PDT by bluejean (I'm becoming a cranky old person. It really annoys me.)
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To: Williams

All these efforts, including CA, would seem approval from Congress


17 posted on 10/10/2018 9:43:29 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Committee to Re-Elect the President ( CREEP ))
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Seek approval


18 posted on 10/10/2018 9:45:33 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Committee to Re-Elect the President ( CREEP ))
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To: campaignPete R-CT

They can have it!!!!

We DO need to keep up on what the enemy is up to.

And I MAY be getting fat and lazy from winning.

But some here want to go to war with me when my people (Italians from staten island AND from upstaet) are JUST as patriotic as them!!

Hell, I would know Italian MUCH MORE fluently if my parents hadn’t decided “we’re in America now, no more speaking Italian!!”

So what I did pick up came from my grandparents.

BTW, I don’t see the crime in my parents having taught me Italian on the side.

It’s nice to know a second language.

Half my Italian friends speak fluent Italian and half don’t speak a word of it.

Two separate groups of friends.

And what the #### does this have to do with the original topic!!!???? :)

I need a robot friend.


19 posted on 10/10/2018 9:45:49 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I would not mind one bit if we had a friendly separation. Neither side can stand the other so why continue with the misery.


20 posted on 10/10/2018 9:55:19 PM PDT by aquila48
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