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Air Force uncertain how long devastated Tyndall will be closed;
STARS AND STRIPES ^ | October 12, 2018 | COREY DICKSTEIN

Posted on 10/14/2018 11:59:51 PM PDT by robowombat

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To: Jack Hammer
I’m no expert on the air force, but I do know those darned airplanes are VERY expensive - why the heck weren’t they flown out of there before the storm hit?

What makes you think that all flyable aircraft weren't flown out? Media reports? LOL

41 posted on 10/15/2018 9:18:37 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: sauropod
Except that Eglin is a major testing base.

Back in the '80s, my brother said some runways still had white lines painted across them.

Billy Mitchell's B-25 Tokyo bomber pilots had to be airborne before that white line, which represented the end of the USS Hornet's flight deck.

42 posted on 10/15/2018 10:45:24 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: 2CAVTrooper

Not difficult at all—just a matter of making the decision and funding the effort.

When I was a crew dog (EC-130Es) back in the mid-90s, we were continuously deployed to Aviano AB, Italy. Aviano, like other USAFE bases, had enough hardened aircraft shelters for a full wing of fighters. In those days before F-16s moved there permanently, we usually had a couple of fighter squadrons deployed there, along with our aircraft and RAF E-3s.

Our platform was designated as Airborne Mission Commander for SAR during the nighttime hours, so crews scheduled to fly the next day pulled SAR alert from 1800L until we launched on our normal mission. We bunked in an aircraft shelter off the end of the runway, on cots inside metal building inside the Tab Vee. Every 90 minutes or so, another pair of Navy or USMC F/A-18s would taxi out and launch on their air patrols over Bosnia. Needless to say, we didn’t get much sleep on those alert nights, with jets running up their engines just prior to take-off. But in wartime, those shelters offered dispersal and protection, ensuring that some of your aircraft would survive.

Lack of shelters at virtually all CONUS bases is a reflection of attempts to save money and a mistaken belief that a Cat 5 hurricane won’t happen here. In the case of Tyndall, the Air Force took the gamble and lost.


43 posted on 10/15/2018 12:10:10 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: Jack Hammer

Some are maintenance trainers—they don’t fly. Others are hangar queens, “lemons” of the fighter fleet that require much more maintenance to get off the ground, and aren’t flown as often. Others were undergoing phase level maintenance, meaning there wasn’t enough time to put them back together and fly them out. And, it’s even harder to get the “cann” (cannibalization) birds back in shape when 90% of your maintenance specialists are evacuating due to the storm.


44 posted on 10/15/2018 12:13:40 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: TonyM

I think it would make sense to relocate everything the
Eglin AFB and close Tyndall.

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If you have to rebuild everything then relocation
for sure should be a consideration.


45 posted on 10/15/2018 12:20:56 PM PDT by deport
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To: robowombat

If it’s anything like Homsestead AFB, forgetaboutit!


46 posted on 10/15/2018 12:23:17 PM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: Jack Hammer

why the heck weren’t they flown out of there before the storm hit?

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The question is were they flyable? If not they couldn’t have
flown them out. Stages of repair, work, etc have an impact.


47 posted on 10/15/2018 12:29:13 PM PDT by deport
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To: ExNewsExSpook
This also happened in the Viet Nam War. Robert Strange McNamara thought based on what was known of enemy capabilities the chances for aircraft loses from rocket or mortars was minimal. Tet 68 came along and at Da Nang and TSN and Bien Hoa scores of USAF aircraft were damaged and a good many destroyed on the ground by enemy rocket bombardment. The Norks had modified the launch mechanism for the Katuyuska (a pretty simple system anyway) to allow the rockets to be fired from individual launch racks. The NVA/VC sited scores of these in the bush around large bases and fired hundreds of rockets during the 68 offensive. We got very good at using tracking radar to locate the launch sites so as soon as a rocket started its parabola a good fix could be gotten on where it was fired from and in less than five minutes some times from launch US artillery rounds were descending on target. The Viets offset this somewhat by developing timed release devices so they could set their rockets up, wind up the launch set and be well gone when the rocket fired.
48 posted on 10/15/2018 2:25:00 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: commish
Eglin is a about 10 miles inland and that makes all the difference. Tyndall was like Patrick, with the flightline running right along the beach.

Keesler is pretty close to the Mississippi beach and has suffered storm damage several times. Heck, it's one of the Hurricane Hunters' bases.

USAF will maintain the same level of presence along the coast regardless of base locations. It's a practical necessity in order to train at Mach 1+.

49 posted on 10/15/2018 3:34:55 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Mr.Unique

Was thinking they were flyable. My bad...


50 posted on 10/15/2018 11:45:14 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Oh yeah. I did time over in Germany, and sometimes had to run from Baumholder down to Bitburg or Ramstein for various reasons and I remember the shelters.


51 posted on 10/16/2018 10:39:29 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats... BETRAYING America since 1828.)
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