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'It's a ghost page': EPA site's climate change section may be gone for good
The Guardian ^ | November 2, 2018 | by Oliver Milman

Posted on 11/02/2018 8:21:49 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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I'd replace the blank page with one detailing whatever warming is occurring and all possible causes, not just humans' puny emissions.

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21 posted on 11/03/2018 7:53:28 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks ( The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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I'd replace the blank page with one detailing whatever warming is occurring and all possible causes, not just humans' puny emissions.

That's an excellent idea. It would be educational.

22 posted on 11/03/2018 9:59:52 PM PDT by Rocky (I have principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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The best replacement would be a page of benefits of global warming, the most censored science story in history. It would clearly be pro-American, although Canada and Siberia get even more benefits. We use five times as much energy for heat than cooling in America. Our heating costs are three times cooling costs. Our clean surface coal miners produce 10 short tons per hour which creates close to 20,000 kWh of electricity. In contrast a large 250W solar panel will produce 400 kWh per year of operation (here in Virginia). Even at commercial scale, solar is vastly less productive (it is however a long term investment with payback 10 or 20 years down the road, depending on location).

Roger Pielke Jr did great work on the "costs" of global warming before he was drummed out of the field by a Democrat witch hunt. He showed that costs are flat or declining: http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/admin/publication_files/2013.38.pdf and a few other brave scientists have kept his work up-to-date: http://www.icatdamageestimator.com/toptendamages for example with hurricanes. It shows that the normalized damage from hurricanes is not increasing over time. There are bad ones as there will always be.

Even looking worldwide the deadliest hurricane season was 1780 and we've seen nothing like it since (e.g. a stronger hurricane than Michael hit near Pensacola and that was not the deadliest of the season). It's easy to point to hurricanes without the data from past hurricanes as context. Major hurricane numbers over 12–18°N (the most accurately and reliably sampled Atlantic sector) were 20 from 1701 to 1800, 19 from 1801 to 1900 and 16 from 1901 to 2000 and zero from 2000 through 2007 (when the study was done).

So there's no drawback in terms of hurricanes, but what about the benefits? The CDC data http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/MortFinal2006_WorktableIV_part1.pdf shows that there are 636,605 deaths in winter, 573,946 in summer, about 10% more deaths in winter thanks to cold dry air (in the US). In bad flu seasons the number is about 20% more:

Winter is deadly and global warming is good. Even global models like FUND, now censored from most reports, show benefits from warming based on "explicit harm-reducing adaptation to sea level rise and also assumes that increasing wealth reduces the harm to the energy sector and human health." https://www.law.virginia.edu/system/files/faculty/hein/2016/Johnston_Regulation%2C%20Spring%202016%2C%20at%2036..pdf (see figure 4).

23 posted on 11/04/2018 1:09:57 AM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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as we have a well-documented “hiatus” of rising temperatures that defy their theory.

The "hiatus" is over: http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html but because of the 2016 super El Nino. It will be back, especially as solar activity crashes (has crashed all this past year). There was high enough solar to feed the 2016 El Nino and temporarliy warm the planet. Notice how the 2010 El Nino got short-changed. That was due to low solar. In a nutshell: the sun heats the oceans and the oceans heat the atmosphere in wildly varying amounts, from a lot in a super El Nino, to not at all other times.

But taking away the super El Ninos there's a relatively steady but small amount of warminng. That is manmade, and it is good (see my previous post).

24 posted on 11/04/2018 1:19:27 AM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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25 posted on 11/05/2018 3:16:06 AM PST by buffyt (If you want to keep your guns, Beto vote for Cruz)
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