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Reasons to bet the polls are still flawed
The New York Post ^ | November 6, 2018 | Leonid Bershidsky

Posted on 11/06/2018 9:50:34 AM PST by TBP

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To: TBP

Market is up a little today. Reason to believe the polls are wrong?? Or good reason to sell TODAY! I dunno which


21 posted on 11/06/2018 10:08:28 AM PST by kjam22
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To: Buckeye McFrog

A bit concerned about the high turnout, especially if it’s 2008 in reverse (an anti-vote sentiment). There is a *LOT* of pent up anger at Trump, in addition to tons of money from various wealthy individuals, and that may flip the House.


22 posted on 11/06/2018 10:11:04 AM PST by CatOwner
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To: meadsjn

we could call that the Cherokee blood rally in honor of warren!


23 posted on 11/06/2018 10:13:57 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: kjam22

The reason polls are flawed is simple. They are not looking for an answer, they are looking to drive a point. That being the change is in the works and it is going our way.


24 posted on 11/06/2018 10:14:29 AM PST by JayAr36 (We have the best government that money can buy.)
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To: TBP
One big reason is that I , my wife and many Conservatives we know...will not give any accurate data to a polster.

As far as they're conscerned, I/we vote Dem, love Liz Warren, think borders should be open, etc, etc. That HAS to skew their data.

25 posted on 11/06/2018 10:15:22 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Get in the Spirit! The Spirit of '76!)
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To: Josa
I'm in a tiny town rural MO. Our polling place is in the volunteer fire dept. Only been there twice as of half an hour ago but there's 4 booths and there were several people in there. More than last year. My ballot was #118 according to the machine that reads it. Not sure if that's a lot or not. Very low population per square mile.

Some liberal woman was parked in the lot with dem candidate signs. I made sure she saw my MAGA hat sitting on the dashboard.

Our listed home phone has been ringing off the hook for a week but we don't answer. Some were robocalls but I imagine some were polls. Not all leave messages.


26 posted on 11/06/2018 10:15:54 AM PST by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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To: babble-on

“How do you fix the flaw of “nobody answers the phone”?”

exactly. when you have to make 27,000 calls to get 457 people to answer your poll, how representative is THAT going to be? ... your sample basically consists of people who are either too stupid to block unwanted calls and lonely people who like to talk to strangers ...


27 posted on 11/06/2018 10:21:51 AM PST by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: TBP

Hope he wins ... bigly.


28 posted on 11/06/2018 10:26:11 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: dfwgator
I think in Trump, we have a President that NOBODY is neutral on. You either love him or hate him, there isn’t much middle ground there.

My dad always told me that Harry Truman was like that.


29 posted on 11/06/2018 10:42:29 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Gen.Blather

very creative - I wonder how well that would work? Interesting idea though


30 posted on 11/06/2018 10:53:33 AM PST by datricker (Cut Taxes Repeal ACA Deport DACA - Americans First, Build the Wall, Lock her up MAGA!)
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To: TBP
The problem with how polling is done have not been fixed.

There was polling errors back during the Bush years, but they seemed to get those fixed and some of us were surprised by Obama winning. So they got new Errors for Trump, I would expect them to fix them for this round, so while hopeful, I would not be surprised at all if the polls were right. I mean, who knows? Thats all I can really think at this point.

31 posted on 11/06/2018 10:57:54 AM PST by Paradox (Don't call them mainstream, there is nothing mainstream about the MSM.)
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To: PGR88

WOW. I bet we have had 10-12 calls per week for the past month. We either lie or hang up.


32 posted on 11/06/2018 11:01:44 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: babble-on

LOL. Caller ID. Unless I know who’s calling I never - and I mean never - answer. And because we have had untold number of calls in the past 3 to 6 months. Not one pollster got through to consider the four votes in my household.


33 posted on 11/06/2018 11:05:36 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: ClearCase_guy
"If polling were intended to be predictive, they would fix flaws and get better. But it isn’t intended to be predictive. It is intended to be persuasive — "

That.
Tonight we'll learn how persuasive those rigged polls have been.

34 posted on 11/06/2018 11:10:16 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: circlecity

Amen. Over sampling advanced degrees and using those numbers unweighted is not an accident. It has to be intentional.


35 posted on 11/06/2018 11:15:18 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: TBP

I don’t know - or care - what the polls say or don’t say. Here’s what we know:

40% of Americans will vote GOP
40% of Americans will vote Dim

That leaves the mushy, 20% of people who claim to be independent-minded, but, in truth, don’t really know what they believe. Soooo, if the GOP has done a good job of persuading them the economy is roaring, illegal immigration is being dealt with, etc., then they’ll vote GOP.

If, on the other hand, these 20% of mushy folks in the middle believe the sky is falling (despite all the positive news), they’ll vote Dim.

It sounds simple, and it is. I think Trump has done an excellent job getting his message out, but the Dims have the entire mainstream media, archaic as it is. We’ll know soon.


36 posted on 11/06/2018 11:27:12 AM PST by Kharis13
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To: TBP

The polls are always geared towards driving public opinion, not reflecting it.

The mediots who commission these polls select those firms that are going to confirm their premise that everyone wants the democRATS to win. So, the methodology reflects the desire to gain the money from those willing to pay.


37 posted on 11/06/2018 11:47:35 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Very astute observation, FRiend.

“That’s what the cool kids are doing!”

Well, I was a unapologetic history nerd back in the Class of 1975. I looked at the “cool kids” and thought “what a bunch of stuck-up losers.”

In the years following, nothing has changed.

MAGA!


38 posted on 11/06/2018 12:13:50 PM PST by Nothingburger
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To: kjam22

Let’s just say that the market, despite its timely Democrat-benefiting tank job throughout October (reminiscent of September-October of 2008), has absolutely NOT priced in the idea that a bunch of nutjobs will become House committee chairmen in 2019 if the Republicans lose control tonight.

Proof of that statement — which hopefully never happens — will come tomorrow morning before the markets even open. Futures will be pegged at maximum losses, you can book it right now.

OTOH, if Republicans keep the House the market may blast off tomorrow as the fear and uncertainty are gone.


39 posted on 11/06/2018 12:19:03 PM PST by PermaRag (Want free and fair elections in America again? #OffTheMedia)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Republicans know we have to get to the poles and vote because we have to beat the corrupt ballot stuffing.


40 posted on 11/06/2018 12:57:19 PM PST by cnsmom
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