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Macron stokes anger with plan to honour Nazi collaborator Pétain
France24 ^

Posted on 11/07/2018 3:50:13 PM PST by ameribbean expat

"He was a great soldier, it's a fact," Macron said, though he stressed that Petain had made "disastrous choices" during World War II.

His comments drew fierce criticism from rival politicians as well as Jewish leaders, reopening a painful chapter in France's history which continues to divide the nation decades on.

Francis Kalifat of the CRIF association of French Jewish groups said he was "shocked" by Macron's comments praising a leader who helped deport thousands of Jews to their deaths.

"The only thing we will remember about Petain is that he was convicted, in the name of the French people, of national indignity during his trial in 1945," Kalifat said in a statement.

(Excerpt) Read more at m.france24.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; brexit; collaborators; emmanuelmacron; europeanunion; france; germany; holocaust; israel; jerusalem; letshavejerusalem; macron; nato; nazis; theholocaust; theresamay; unitedkingdom; vichy; waronterror; ww2
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Justin Trudeau showed up because he thought they said they would be honoring "poutine" .
1 posted on 11/07/2018 3:50:13 PM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: ameribbean expat

Macron really didn’t like the idea, but his mommy told him to.


2 posted on 11/07/2018 3:51:22 PM PST by PGR88
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To: ameribbean expat

If he chose to honor Nazi collaborator Soros, that would be A-OK (to the media and the left).


3 posted on 11/07/2018 4:05:46 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: ameribbean expat

Macroon gets is all wrong. No wonder his popularity is down.


4 posted on 11/07/2018 4:07:14 PM PST by I want the USA back (It's Ok To Be White. White Lives Matter. White Guilt is Socially Constructed)
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To: ameribbean expat

What France should really do is release all the records that would identify the collaborators in WW II. The records were supposed to be released 50 years after, but given that they weren’t, I’m going to guess there would be a lot of blemished “heroes”

Was Petian fully culpable? He was trying to give his country a chance to survive what had been a nearly instant invasion and toppling of the French Government.

I can’t fully judge the man and can’t exonerate him, but to single him out when there are likely hundreds and thousands that willingly collaborated???


5 posted on 11/07/2018 4:07:38 PM PST by phothus (http://buanadha.wordpress.com/)
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To: ameribbean expat
Maréchal, Nous Voilà (Marshal, we are here) (sine nomine, 1941)--Marshal Pétain's theme song--a stirring tune that emphasizes patriotic themes and even lauds Pétain as the hero of Verdun--ironic, since his regime was a puppet of Germany.
6 posted on 11/07/2018 4:24:52 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: ameribbean expat

Tough call. He was a good general in impossible conditions in WWI, and then thought it better to head the rump France than to have Nazis rule directly. He was wrong, but understandably so.


7 posted on 11/07/2018 4:29:35 PM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: VanShuyten

I’m sort of with you on this. In addition to being a great WW I hero, I think it’s worth considering that he was also nearing his dotage around the time of WW II. He was born in 1856 (do the math to 1940... 84 years old). BTW, he died in 1951 at the age of 95.


8 posted on 11/07/2018 4:44:26 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine ("It's always a party when you're eating the seed corn.")
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To: ameribbean expat
The French television show, A French Village, dramatizes the events from 1940 to 1945. Of course it's only entertainment, but it gave a pretty good idea of the choices and lack of choices that the French faced back then. Not to excuse Petain, but those who stepped up to deal with the chaos of 1940 could easily find themselves becoming collaborators with the occupier, and it was not always easy to get out of that situation.
9 posted on 11/07/2018 4:46:06 PM PST by x
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To: ameribbean expat
We all know that Macron has a thing for old 'putains'.
10 posted on 11/07/2018 6:38:06 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: ameribbean expat

As a student of military history, I can think of few more tragic figures than Marshal Petain.


11 posted on 11/07/2018 7:32:18 PM PST by Nothingburger
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To: Nothingburger

On the other hand, Pierre Laval, was a pig, who deserved what he got.


12 posted on 11/07/2018 7:38:39 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Agreed


13 posted on 11/07/2018 7:42:45 PM PST by Nothingburger
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To: Fiji Hill

The Nazis were hoping they could mollify the French to point where they wouldn’t need to station so many troops in France, and could free them up for the Eastern Front.


14 posted on 11/07/2018 7:47:53 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ameribbean expat

What about his fantasies of becoming the Messiah? Doesn’t compute.


15 posted on 11/07/2018 7:49:10 PM PST by firebrand
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To: expat; PGR88; fieldmarshaldj; I want the USA back; phothus; Fiji Hill; VanShuyten; ...

Macron has recently been saying that Europe needs to protect itself from Russia China and the USA. and develop their own army.

I’m not sure anymore as to whether it would be a bad thing for the Europeans to develop their own national defense.

In any case—toward that end

That’s why Macron went to Petan’s grave.

A European defense force would be primarily French and German.


16 posted on 11/07/2018 9:07:31 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
"Once all the Germans were warlike and mean,
But that couldn't happen again.
We taught them a lesson in 1918,
And they've hardly bothered us since then."

-- Tom Lehrer, "MLF Lullaby," 1965

17 posted on 11/07/2018 9:18:22 PM PST by Publius
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
What a wackadoodle.

18 posted on 11/07/2018 11:05:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Nothingburger

I agree but French Justice can be quixotic. Like blaming Bazaine for the losses in 1870 when it was McMahon all along.


19 posted on 11/08/2018 5:12:53 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Publius

The problem with your point is that it was made when the world was entirely different.

The world now is entirely different

Now the choice is between the huns and moslems.

If you put down the huns — you increase the moslems—not just in Europe but also in the USA.

Already the Europeans have made any criticism of allah into hate speech.

Is Eurabia good for Israel? Good for diaspora jews? good for Christians?

Maybe I’m wrong but it looks like there’s some kind of what goes around comes around thing going on here.


20 posted on 11/08/2018 6:40:16 AM PST by ckilmer
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