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Opinion: What Are The Chances That America’s Disunion Turns Into Civil War?
Market Watch ^ | 11-8-2018 | Ian Morris

Posted on 11/08/2018 8:39:26 PM PST by blam

Strong rhetoric and violence on both sides of the political spectrum are reaching a fever pitch

Is the United States on the brink of a new civil war?

According to Newsweek magazine’s polling, a third of all Americans think such a conflict could break out within the next five years, with 10% thinking it “very likely to happen.” Plenty of experts agree. Back in March, State Department official Keith Mines told Foreign Policy magazine: “It is like 1859, everyone is mad about something and everyone has a gun.” He rated the odds of a second American Civil War breaking out within the next 10-15 years at 60%.

October’s awful events — pipe bombs sent to leading Democratic politicians and supporters, the mass shooting at a synagogue in Pittsburgh — have only amplified these fears. “We are now nearing a point comparable to 1860,” my Stanford University colleague Victor Davis Hanson recently wrote in the National Review.

The historian Niall Ferguson, another Stanford colleague, suggested in The Sunday Times of London that if someone were to design a “Civil War Clock” comparable to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists’ “Doomsday Clock,” the designer would probably now be announcing that it is “two minutes to Fort Sumter.”

Ferguson himself is more upbeat, thinking that “the time on the civil war Doomsday Clock looks more like 11.08 than 11.58.” It seems to me, though, that all these speculations are deeply misleading — so much so, in fact, that the main thing they illustrate is how not to use the past to understand the present.

Similarities, differences and broad patterns

There are certainly some striking similarities between the American political scene in the late 2010s and that of the late 1850s. Both periods saw extreme polarization over issues of intense economic and emotional importance.

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KEYWORDS: civilwar; cwii; cwiiping; left; obamalegacy; right; violence; war
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To: Salamander

Thanks for looking that up for me.

I’m still posting because my daughter’s in labor tonight.

Gonna be a grampa in the morning. Again ;-)


121 posted on 11/09/2018 12:52:44 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left tpoo long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

OMG!!!

Congratulations and prayers for everything to go perfectly!


122 posted on 11/09/2018 12:53:45 AM PST by Salamander (My Soul's On Fire...)
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To: Salamander

Whew...

For a minute there, I thought some varmint had got into your house and attacked you :-)


123 posted on 11/09/2018 12:54:34 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left tpoo long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Salamander

Thank you!

I’m about to text my wife for an update. My daughter had dilated to 9.5 centimeters hours ago. They’re probly cooing over the baby now.


124 posted on 11/09/2018 12:57:41 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left tpoo long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

Nah.

He’s a sweetheart.

One of my rescued things.


125 posted on 11/09/2018 12:58:06 AM PST by Salamander (My Soul's On Fire...)
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To: Windflier

Squeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Can’t wait to hear boy or girl!

Whichever, it will be beautiful, I’m sure!


126 posted on 11/09/2018 12:59:11 AM PST by Salamander (My Soul's On Fire...)
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To: Salamander

Baby boy is here! Daughter and hubby are taking him home now, with Grandma close behind.

Everyone’s well :-)


127 posted on 11/09/2018 1:04:45 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left tpoo long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

Eeeee!!!!

Welcome to the world, newest little Windflier!

:D


128 posted on 11/09/2018 1:06:57 AM PST by Salamander (My Soul's On Fire...)
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To: Salamander
...will be beautiful, I’m sure!

His parents are both lookers, so I'm sure he'll be a cutie.

Right now he looks like an old prune :-)

129 posted on 11/09/2018 1:07:42 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left tpoo long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Salamander
Welcome to the world, newest little Windflier! :D

Thank you so much. Now I can finally get some sleep!

130 posted on 11/09/2018 1:09:18 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left tpoo long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

I’m sure your daughter takes after you so the baby has to be a looker!

Seriously, this made my whole night.

I’ll have a stupid grin on my face all day.

:)


131 posted on 11/09/2018 1:09:45 AM PST by Salamander (My Soul's On Fire...)
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To: Windflier

Congratulations again to you and the whole family!

SO glad everything went well.

Rest easy, now.

Good night, Grandpa Windflier.

:)


132 posted on 11/09/2018 1:11:15 AM PST by Salamander (My Soul's On Fire...)
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To: Salamander
Seriously, this made my whole night. I’ll have a stupid grin on my face all day. :)

Aw... I'm blushing :-)

Thank you again!

133 posted on 11/09/2018 1:14:34 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left tpoo long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

-—> stupid grin :D


134 posted on 11/09/2018 1:17:11 AM PST by Salamander (My Soul's On Fire...)
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To: cctrout

Alaska’s pretty big and is bristling with people with guns. The Russians might even leave the strip where Juneau is alone, since it also borders Canada to its South as well as East and might be to big to commit occupying troops to. Russia proper only has 160 million people and its integral territory is huge and they know China is eyeing Siberia. Alaska will probably be left alone.


135 posted on 11/09/2018 1:21:52 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: ThunderSleeps

My estimate is 60 million...we can’t even comprehend what angry unemployed engineers can create in their garages and work benches.( lots of old electronics around that can be repurposed) I see 60 million killed in a war that splits the nation in 3 or 4 sections. Might even involve tactical nukes since desperate tyrants will use extreme measures to keep their power.


136 posted on 11/09/2018 1:34:54 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: blam

It’s quite evident that neither side likes the other. How about a friendly separation instead of a civil war.


137 posted on 11/09/2018 2:17:59 AM PST by aquila48
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To: blam

US Civil War II

Soros and deep staters and globalist dream. But I repeat myself.


138 posted on 11/09/2018 2:23:40 AM PST by Chickensoup ( Leftists fascists today plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives soon)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I’ve been saying for a while now, including on this forum, that the question of our age is whether one segment of our society will be able, and allowed, to vote the rest of us into slavery. So far they’re winning, IMO.


139 posted on 11/09/2018 2:41:05 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Break it off in 'em, Brett. They've earned it, and you've earned it.)
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To: blam

We have leftwing groups of weirdos committing violent acts and being shielded by the government. It’s only a matter of time before right-leaning people start organizing to fight them in the streets in reaction. It’s already happening some. We live in Weimerica.


140 posted on 11/09/2018 3:11:53 AM PST by cdcdawg
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