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Opinion: What Are The Chances That America’s Disunion Turns Into Civil War?
Market Watch ^ | 11-8-2018 | Ian Morris

Posted on 11/08/2018 8:39:26 PM PST by blam

Strong rhetoric and violence on both sides of the political spectrum are reaching a fever pitch

Is the United States on the brink of a new civil war?

According to Newsweek magazine’s polling, a third of all Americans think such a conflict could break out within the next five years, with 10% thinking it “very likely to happen.” Plenty of experts agree. Back in March, State Department official Keith Mines told Foreign Policy magazine: “It is like 1859, everyone is mad about something and everyone has a gun.” He rated the odds of a second American Civil War breaking out within the next 10-15 years at 60%.

October’s awful events — pipe bombs sent to leading Democratic politicians and supporters, the mass shooting at a synagogue in Pittsburgh — have only amplified these fears. “We are now nearing a point comparable to 1860,” my Stanford University colleague Victor Davis Hanson recently wrote in the National Review.

The historian Niall Ferguson, another Stanford colleague, suggested in The Sunday Times of London that if someone were to design a “Civil War Clock” comparable to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists’ “Doomsday Clock,” the designer would probably now be announcing that it is “two minutes to Fort Sumter.”

Ferguson himself is more upbeat, thinking that “the time on the civil war Doomsday Clock looks more like 11.08 than 11.58.” It seems to me, though, that all these speculations are deeply misleading — so much so, in fact, that the main thing they illustrate is how not to use the past to understand the present.

Similarities, differences and broad patterns

There are certainly some striking similarities between the American political scene in the late 2010s and that of the late 1850s. Both periods saw extreme polarization over issues of intense economic and emotional importance.

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To: FreeReign

I will never understand people that have been free for 400 years clamoring for totalitarian authoritarianism and to enslave themselves.


21 posted on 11/08/2018 8:57:40 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: lightman
That long?

Yeah, that sucks. Been itching to square things away with the left for some time now, ain't got all that much left to join the fun of cleaning them out.

22 posted on 11/08/2018 8:57:53 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: matthew fuller
The only realistic question at this point is “When did the present CWII begin?”

The Cold Civil War began in late December 2000 with the SCOTUS Bush v. Gore decision.

23 posted on 11/08/2018 8:58:14 PM PST by lightman (Obama's legacy in 13 letters: BLM, ISIS, & ANTIFA. New axis of evil.)
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To: doorgunner69

“Should the rest of us just accept them stealing power and do nothing but whine to politicians that will do nothing? “


That’s what I’m afraid will happen———a keyboard Civil War.

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24 posted on 11/08/2018 8:58:15 PM PST by Mears
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To: blam

The “pipe bombs” were all fake sent by a Dem operative posing as a Trump fanatic.
Had a screw loose as well.


25 posted on 11/08/2018 8:58:23 PM PST by beethovenfan (I always try to maximize my carbon footprint.)
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Better than the chance Comcast subscribers will terminate they’re loyalty to the enemy.


26 posted on 11/08/2018 8:59:23 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: blam

We pretty much play by the rules, the opposition doesn’t. What I fear will happen is, if a real Civil War does begin, the Dems will have already impeached Trump and Pense and put in their person as President. They now control the military and police and possibly bring in foreign fighters. Many think the military and police will be on our side, but I have big doubts on that. Maybe some, but the majority, in my opinion, will follow their marching orders. Us, winning a Civil War under these conditions may become near impossible.

Let’s hope it never gets to that point.


27 posted on 11/08/2018 9:01:17 PM PST by Valk Rider
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To: Windflier
Gonna have to figure out identifying insignia or uniforms.

At the moment it looks like red MAGA hats vs. black bloc (Antifa).

We need better cover(s)....literally.

28 posted on 11/08/2018 9:01:27 PM PST by lightman (Obama's legacy in 13 letters: BLM, ISIS, & ANTIFA. New axis of evil.)
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To: Mears
Wasting liberals would be very rewarding, if the ROE were favorable. A guerilla campaign would work to avoid residual law enforcement.

Biggest problem I see besides leftist aligned "authorities" is target ID. They will not all be inner city zombies or Antifarts in black.

29 posted on 11/08/2018 9:02:32 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Psalm 144

This is what the media and left want Division and rancor
Don’t fall for it
Be nice


30 posted on 11/08/2018 9:02:42 PM PST by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: matthew fuller
How about the weaponization of the FBI? Or the IRS? Or the intimidation of the Antfa thugs?

Has any of this been resolved? Have the perpetrators been punished? Is either resolution or punishment in the works?

Are they just waiting on the public to forget? Shades of the old Soviet Union.

31 posted on 11/08/2018 9:06:02 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie ("The MSM is the enemy of the American people"...Democrat Pat Caddell)
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To: beethovenfan
Yes, note how quickly the liberal media lost interest in the fake pip bomb story.

Almost as fast as that trans-whatever negress that shot up her co-workers. That was gone in a day or two once she was exposed.

32 posted on 11/08/2018 9:06:04 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Windflier
Gonna have to figure out identifying insignia or uniforms.

Our side: USA flag on shoulder.

Their flag: One World flag or UN flag on shoulder, in Spanish.

33 posted on 11/08/2018 9:06:08 PM PST by roadcat
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To: blam

Unfortunately, it seems inevitable. My only hope is that the morons in politics and the media are not representative of the generally more grounded and reasonable people in society.


34 posted on 11/08/2018 9:09:59 PM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: blam

A couple of random thoughts.

The “pipe bombs” the guy Sayoc sent out were NOT working bombs (as far as has been said. Why, I have no idea unless he just wanted to scare people). A bomb, in order to work/go off, needs a couple of things these didn’t have.

A proper term for what this guy made would be “fake bombs”, “fake bomb-like devices”, “intimidation devices”, etc.

Bombs need explosive powder or chemicals - RDC, Semtex, etc, to work, as well as electrical primers, igniters, squibs, and possibly electrical timers. As I have read so far, no complete “bomb” had what was needed.

Maybe the guy was just incompetent. He sure was crazy, so he’ll be charged with various felonies and sent for “mental evaluation” that could take months or years. Then maybe he will be sent to jail or a mental institution (and later released when some psychiatrist/psychologists says he’s “cured”.

The Pittsburgh killings was an act of a psychopathic Jew hater who should have been on someone’s radar (if Facebook or Twitter’s censorship or hate warning worked).

Lone haters like this, white, black, Christian, Moslem, crackhead, etc. are the hardest kind of killers to find and stop. By hardening targets, you make their attack job harder or even dissuasive.

Re Pittsburgh. The anti-Trump organization behind the demonstrations against him, Bend of Arc, is headed by George Soros’ son Alexander. Need I say more?

As a society, we have to face up to the fact that “not all men are created equal or if they are, will remain sane/equal/tolerant beings”. You know that it’s the truth but the liberals, esp. in most of the mainstream media, refuse to acknowledge it. They think that unicorns, rainbows, and lollipops can tame the savage beast of insanity.

Didn’t work well for Charles Manson and family, Ted Bundy, the Zodiac Killer, the Night Stalker/Ramirez, Colin Ferguson the black man who killed 6 white people on a train because they were white, Dylan Root, a white young man befriended by a black church who proceeded one day to turn on them and kill many of them.

And it definitely didn’t work on the guy who tried to kill the Republican politicians, staffers, and police officers at a ball field in Northern Virginia.

Let’s face it - with a country’s population of about 330 Million, you’re going to have tens of thousands of potential psycho killers, and more reasonably, hundreds or even a few thousand of them who will attempt to or actually kill various types of people for various lunatic reasons.

They still can’t figure out why Paddock killed all those people in Las Vegas, but he did and nobody cared enough to check his unusual behavior out.

With the revival of hardcore Marxist terrorism (Antifa, Revcom, Black Bloc, Red Bloc, the New Black Panthers, BLM elements, Eric Holder’s “kick them”, Obama’s “you bring a gun”, Maxine Waters “harass them everywhere they are”, and Hillary’s “we can’t be civil with them” war chants, it is only going to get worse.

However, one day, somewhere, a patriotic American or group of Americans is going to fight back and decimate a group of armed, rioting lunatics. If done effectively, it could break the back of most violence-prone groups, leaving only total psychopaths wanting a “Weathermen” type of warfare.

Most “radicals” are cowards when faced by determined, well armed and trained opposition.

As Gov./General In Tam, Kampong Cham Province chief in Cambodia, once told me about how he handled a deadly pro-Sihanouk riot in his city, “I told my troops to fire, and they did. They killed a couple rioters and we have not had any trouble since” (action late Jan/early Feb. 1970. Told to me Nov. 1970 at lunch with him).

Sometimes deadly force can stop more deadly force if applied in the right amounts at the right place and right time.

If there is going to be an “American Civil War II”, a riot by the Marxists/psychos might be where it is started, OR ENDED. It all depends on who has the guts and weapons to face down and destroy our enemies.


35 posted on 11/08/2018 9:10:03 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: blam
Looking at history, the various rises and falls of empires, ever changing borders, and human nature, the odds are pretty good that some form of social calamity will engulf the U.S. without a major trajectory correction.
36 posted on 11/08/2018 9:11:01 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: lightman
At the moment it looks like red MAGA hats vs. black bloc (Antifa). We need better cover(s)....literally.

Maybe something like this?



37 posted on 11/08/2018 9:11:04 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left tpoo long, they become black rifles.)
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To: blam

Large scale riots,
Home invasions,
Arsons,
Looting,
Those sort of things.

The Left won’t be organized for a civil war.
But you know, you never know...


38 posted on 11/08/2018 9:12:54 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: blam

It will start when you have to kill your dog to eat dinner.


39 posted on 11/08/2018 9:15:07 PM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: blam

Ping for later.


40 posted on 11/08/2018 9:15:43 PM PST by Nateman (If the left is not screaming, you are doing it wrong.)
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