Posted on 11/08/2018 8:39:26 PM PST by blam
It’s hard for me to imagine any sort of widespread civil unrest while the poorest people are the most likely to be obese and are the most entertained poor people ever. Our poor aren’t used to hard physical activity out doors in all weather either.
I always think that more would deign to try voting before they undergo the hardship that will would come with taking it to the streets.
Freegards
The new Marxist president of Mexico is likely to turn Mexico into Venezuela. Then the fun really begins.
History is littered with predictions that were proven false.
“Wearing a MAGA hat.....”
That’s real smart./s
Civil unrest, driven by the populace, not by the politicians, happens when they are watching their children starve.... Little risk of that happening anytime soon.
We are a LONG way from any situation where you are going to see legislative bodies endorsing secession and open conflict.
What you are likely to see will be individual flare ups that ALWAYS happen even in the best of times....
One of these times these Antifa crowds are going to pick on the wrong person, and a bloodbath will result.... Sooner or later it won’t be a lonely wife hiding in a bedroom, but an armed, trained individual, who will mow them down like sheep. Those things will happen, but open true civil war, in terms of open conflict? Not likely.
“There’s no geographic separation today.”
It will be the Heartland vs the coasts.
I agree with your logical thoughts.
I think the advent of the 24 hour news cycle and social media tends to makes the people who care about politics and culture drastically overestimate the number of people who also care like they do, at least enough to deign to vote about it. But if you look at eligible voter turnout for the last 100 + years, it kind of tells another story.
Freegards
Yup. Cut off all supplies to major cities. Within a few weeks, the urban ferals will be too busy hunting pigeons and rats to fight.
IMO, if the socialists get in power for an extended period, in the US, they will set up their own destruction, but not quite in the way being discussed above.
Yes, the US has a tremendously powerful military, but, the libs will suck it dry of funds in order to finance their socialist “utopia”. At the same time, their policies will be economically ruinous, AND they will be trying to police an increasingly restive population, which will take a lot of money. Further pressure will occur because as the US weakens abroad, all sorts of conflicts will erupt, and as we have seen, despite their unwillingness to spend sufficient money on the military, Socialists also just can’t help but get involved, if not inflame troubles abroad.
(IMO there is also a very high danger that US weakness abroad would spur nuclear races and eventual nuclear conflict abroad that will have anywhere from a moderate to large damaging effect on the US, but that is so drastic and different a scenario that I won’t cover it further in this post.)
Corruption and moral decay will exacerbate the above problems.
This results in an erratic tailspin that Socialist types cannot reverse without abandoning their core beliefs, which of course they will not do. Eventually some outside power, China, perhaps, will try to take advantage: Assuming a nuclear exchange does not occur, either we back down, causing further weakening, or, we get in a grind-it-out war we are ill prepared to fight, poorly supported by a population already war weary. If conscription is brought back, then moral probably goes through the floor, and that might well wreak havoc on the loyalty of the troops — at least loyalty sufficient for them to kill US civilians in large numbers.
(I point out here that the US can barely keep up support to fight the threat of Radical Islam. That is partially due to our own bungles and misadventures, true, but still, anyone with 1/10th a brain should recognize that this is a struggle that has been going on for centuries. Given the ROE, even under Trump, it will continue until one side or the other is vanquished, or, until Islam is transformed by a new “Prophet” who is a man of peace and deep reform. If extended support for such an existential struggle is hard to come by, then how patient will the population be in supporting other military follies?)
Eventually the economy is so poor, the government’s financial position so weak, the repression so bad, the divisions so deep, and the contempt of the gov’t by a majority (even though a divided majority elsewise) so great, that some incident sets off the civil war. I think the gov’t would have a VERY difficult time suppressing it, and the military might refrain itself to safeguarding he nukes and repelling outside militaries who might try to take advantage. Those things alone might overtax the military.
Very good analysis.
I think the new Marxist president of Mexico is going to have a say. There are signs (Soros involved) of him turning Mexico into a Venezuela. That would greatly complicate things.
Yep - or 1930s Spain. Of course, the size of the territory that'll be under dispute (and the related population numbers) will make this a civil war that's more on the scale of WWI.
I agree to some extent, it should take something like this to trigger a civil war. However, the ongoing violence by the left may trigger it. It all depends on how much the right is willing to put up with at the hands of the violent left.
The left has rioted, intimidated, attacked and assaulted with impunity in most of the big cities without much a response by their leftist governments. When they finally encounter a city government that is not willing to tolerate their lawless behavior and responds in kind things will get interesting very quickly.
Twenty years ago in my small town the kkk goons decided to show up and march, they no support that I could tell in the community and a counter march was planned. The small city police department and state police kept the two sides apart and the kkk told the chief they would be back next month. The chief said fine, but we will not be here to protect you. Needless to say they didn’t return.
However, during their initial march I know many small business owners and citizens had armed themselves heavily and were not prepared to tolerate violence from either side. I know in my Dad’s case he had a riot shotgun, M1 carbine and several pistols at his business ready to go. To quote him I don’t care what your color is or your politics, you are not going to loot and burn my business down. Many owners took that same attitude.
We’re all mixed together here on the left coast.
Agree.
I'm in California.
May you not walk through a swampland of vagueness.
“In NYC during the civil war the Democratic Party machine Tammany hall organized the draft riots after Gettysburg to create a diversion to save the army of northern Virginia.”
Well that’s a new one I’ve never heard before.
The draft, the ‘Enrollment Act’, had been passed in March 1863, only four months before Gettysburg.
It was immensely unpopular with the white working people of NYC who were going to be directly affected. Blacks were excluded from the draft and the wealthy could purchase a substitute for $300.
The first draft numbers were drawn on July 11th, the second on July 13th, and with that 2nd drawing the riot erupted. The rioters were interested in saving their own hides, not the Army of Northern Virginia.
Lee didn’t need Tammany’s help. Meade was slow in pursuit, the Union Army was battered and exhausted from the battle just like Lee’s.
“Meade was hampered during the retreat and pursuit not only by his alleged timidity and his willingness to defer to the cautious judgment of his subordinate commanders, but because his army was exhausted. The advance to Gettysburg was swift and tiring, followed by the largest battle of the war. The pursuit of Lee was physically demanding, through inclement weather and over difficult roads much longer than his opponent’s.”
When will we say enough??
What will finally provoke spontaneous direction action???
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