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Dead in cars and homes: Northern California fire toll at 29
WRALTV - AP ^ | 11/12/18 | GILLIAN FLACCUS and DON THOMPSON

Posted on 11/12/2018 3:22:28 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt

PARADISE, Calif. — The dead were found in burned-out cars, in the smoldering ruins of their homes, or next to their vehicles, apparently overcome by smoke and flames before they could jump in behind the wheel and escape. In some cases, there were only charred fragments of bone, so small that coroner's investigators used a wire basket to sift and sort them.

At least 29 people were confirmed dead in the wildfire that turned the Northern California town of Paradise and outlying areas into hell on earth, equaling the deadliest blaze in state history, and the search for bodies continued Monday.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: braking; california; campfire; deaths; deathtoll; destruction; drought; fires; globalwarminghoax; sierranevadas
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To: palmer

Why do the Feds not have ultimate jurisdiction over Federal land? And is this at some level related to what Trump was tweeting about (and received a lot of criticism for)?


61 posted on 11/12/2018 8:00:24 PM PST by Paul R.
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

It is horrendous.


62 posted on 11/12/2018 8:04:33 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Paul R.
The CARB regulations (and local derivations) seem blatantly unconstitutional to me. See https://www.arb.ca.gov/smp/regs/RevFinRegwTOC.pdf

"Land manager" means any federal, state, local, or private entity that administers, directs, oversees, or controls the use of public or private land, including the application of fire to the land.

63 posted on 11/12/2018 8:04:59 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
All that was left was the frame, axles, and firewall sitting atop a silver looking blob (body work is all aluminum)

Yes, that must be a sight! Like the DeLorean, all aluminum body. Some of those folks that lived in the Paradise town were lamenting that they lost their Corvettes - all fiberglass non-metal body so nothing much left after the fire. These folks lost everything, so sad.

64 posted on 11/12/2018 8:07:35 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Thank you for that


65 posted on 11/12/2018 8:24:12 PM PST by datricker (Cut Taxes Repeal ACA Deport DACA - Americans First, Build the Wall, Lock her up MAGA!)
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To: datricker

How are you and yours doing?


66 posted on 11/12/2018 8:25:09 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: BenLurkin

“Insurance should cover most of it. Years ago, people in areas of “declared” disasters could get low interest disaster loans to cover the deductibles.”

How I wish you were right. But in the case of these mass-fire disasters, sadly, you are not. We know three families who were burned out in Santa Rosa last year - they still haven’t started rebuilding. Why you may ask? The article linked below explains the unique market “dynamics” of these mass fire situations:

https://abc7news.com/under-insured-homeowners-left-without-enough-to-rebuild-after-north-bay-fires/4442241/


67 posted on 11/12/2018 9:13:36 PM PST by Simon Foxx
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To: roadcat

John made her out of stainless steel, I believe.


68 posted on 11/12/2018 9:19:11 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: All

To follow up on my own post with the answer:

If you insure your home based on prevailing costs to rebuild, say $200/sf, and your home burns down, your policy may be enough to rebuild...

*BUT*

.. if you are in a mass-disaster like these fires create, with hundreds or thousands of homes suddenly needing to be rebuilt in a small area, you soon find out that this huge demand has driven the price from $200 to $400 or $500/sf to rebuild and suddenly your policy only gets you half-way there. And you STILL have to keep paying your mortgage on an empty!

All the homeowners reading this ought to carefully consider upping their policy coverage to 150% or more of the estimated current cost to rebuild. It won’t raise your premium more than $100-$200 a year, but if you’re ever in this type of scenario, boy you’ll be glad you did it!


69 posted on 11/12/2018 9:20:35 PM PST by Simon Foxx
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To: Karl Spooner
John made her out of stainless steel, I believe.

You're right. How could I get that wrong! Aluminum wouldn't look as good as stainless.

70 posted on 11/12/2018 9:28:18 PM PST by roadcat
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To: palmer

Agreed.

I skimmed through the pdf briefly — good Lord, you could sure gag a lot of maggots with all that! The line in the Declaration of Independence about “swarms of officers to harass our people” certainly seems appropriate.


71 posted on 11/12/2018 9:45:19 PM PST by Paul R.
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To: snarkytart

I’ll mourn the people first...must suck to live in your head to leave that statement hanging out there....


72 posted on 11/13/2018 2:40:02 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: rey
On top of that, people build like idiots. Looking at the satellite and the images on the news, I did not see one structure in Paradise that was defensible.. If you have a wooden deck, standard vents, a wood pile within 100 feet of a structure, palm trees, wood chip landscaping, wooden fences up to your home, leaves in the gutters or valleys, landscaping tight up against the house it is a loser...

I thought insurance companies would refuse to write a policy for a place like that?

73 posted on 11/13/2018 3:00:04 AM PST by mewzilla (Is Central America emptying its prisons?)
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To: snarkytart

I second it in regards to all the people and a animals caught up in this great horror.


74 posted on 11/13/2018 3:10:52 AM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: trebb

All of the above.


75 posted on 11/13/2018 3:12:05 AM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Biggirl

Kind of sad that they mention the animals with zero mention of the people...maybe they are really dems who consider any life more precious than human life...


76 posted on 11/13/2018 3:29:56 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: rey

Thank you. I am married to a now retired firefighter from Kern County Fire Dept. He did 34 years fighting fires like these. He was always on the first strike team out after running the Hotshot crew for many years.
Most people just don’t understand the intensity of our fires that are driven by wind and low humidity. You gave a good explanation.


77 posted on 11/13/2018 6:52:59 AM PST by sheana
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To: roadcat

Looked like silver but yeah, aluminum. I saw a picture where a guy poured melted aluminum into an ant hill and when it cooled brought it up and you could see all the galleries and tunnels they built.


78 posted on 11/13/2018 7:57:47 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Everybody is doing alright and is safe. Thank you for asking. The fire burnt around the neighborhood due to the efforts of the firefighters.


79 posted on 11/13/2018 8:21:17 AM PST by datricker (Cut Taxes Repeal ACA Deport DACA - Americans First, Build the Wall, Lock her up MAGA!)
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To: datricker

Glad you and yours are safe! So good to know! Thanks for your report.


80 posted on 11/13/2018 9:09:49 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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