To: dfwgator
The Nazis may very well have been extracted from France, but it would have been the Soviets that did it.
I agree. However, if they had not had to worry about the US involvement, it is quite possible they would have kicked Stalin’s butt even after their original failure.
Hitler was spread too thin and we were the reason for it. Take away the US and you take away D-Day. And Africa may have gone a bit differently as well. Not to mention Italy.
To: cuban leaf
Not really. The war on the Eastern Front had already turned bad for the Germans by the time Pearl Harbor hit. Germany never had any chance of prevailing in Russia save for one long shot. That would be a Thrust straight for Moscow with no distractions. But even then, realistically the fall of Moscow would not have change the final outcome. Napoleon made the mistake of thinking seizing the capital meant he got the whole country.
17 posted on
11/13/2018 10:59:55 AM PST by
DesertRhino
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To: cuban leaf
The Soviet Union would have fallen without US lend lease propping them up in 1941/42.
27 posted on
11/13/2018 11:04:46 AM PST by
Ingtar
To: cuban leaf
Hitler’s V2s and probably a NUKE would have defeated the Soviets
92 posted on
11/13/2018 12:50:24 PM PST by
uncbob
To: cuban leaf
If Hitler had been able to hold his hatred of Russia in check, he could have had a million more troops to defeat the Allies in Africa. this would have deprived Britain of their resources from the empire, and knocked them out of the war. Hitler then could have secured his western front, neutralized Britain, and pursued his entire drive to the Urals. And all this would have happened before the US was ready to engage in the European theatre.
The European war could actually have ended with a Pax Germana.
95 posted on
11/13/2018 1:11:10 PM PST by
hinckley buzzard
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