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DoJ Rules That Bump Fire Stocks Are Now Machine Guns, Fall Under NFA Regulation
The Truth About Guns ^ | 11/15/18 | Dan Zimmerman

Posted on 11/15/2018 8:06:39 AM PST by Simon Green

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To: Ancesthntr

Absolute fact. And unfortunately the NRA sure didn’t help with this reality... They are the reason these compromises keep happening. They should have NEVER compromised in the first place. Not once along the way did firearms owners want or approve of them doing this.


61 posted on 11/15/2018 10:04:05 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: Simon Green

Don’t blame Trump for actions by leftists in the DOJ

This is an insane ruling. Who’s filing what court suit?


62 posted on 11/15/2018 10:13:14 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Openurmind

As a long time Life member of the NRA I have more than once been tempted to resign my membership because of the numerous compromises they make, especially since those compromises always have us losing more rights with nothing in return.


63 posted on 11/15/2018 10:13:29 AM PST by allblues (God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat but Satan is definitely a Democrat)
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To: allblues; Openurmind

NRA - there’s money to be had in prolonging the problem.


64 posted on 11/15/2018 10:14:11 AM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: Ancesthntr

See my tagline...


65 posted on 11/15/2018 10:15:35 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Nifster
Don’t blame Trump for actions by leftists in the DOJ

From October 1st of this year:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-bumpstocks/trump-says-close-to-finalizing-effective-ban-on-gun-bump-stocks-idUSKCN1MB3C3

“We’re knocking out bump stocks,” Trump said at a White House news conference. “We’re in the final two or three weeks, and I’ll be able to write out bump stocks.”

66 posted on 11/15/2018 10:19:58 AM PST by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.”)
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To: Repeat Offender

You’ve hit the nail on the head. No one has ever accused Wayne LaPierre of being a real “gun guy”, but being in the leadership of the NRA has been berry berry good to him, to the tune of nearly $1,000,000 a year. And the kicker is that he is a piss poor public face of the NRA.


67 posted on 11/15/2018 10:23:54 AM PST by allblues (God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat but Satan is definitely a Democrat)
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To: Repeat Offender; allblues

Our ancestors should have shut the door and formed a more principled organization right after the very first compromise.

It is unfortunate that we are now stuck with the “something is better than nothing” situation we are now in with the NRA.

Tell you what... If they actually cared, they would temporarily shut down all extra curricular activity and invest every dollar they can get into setting constitutional precedent by forcing every anti-firearm law in Ca up to the Supreme Court as a #1 priority.

They ALL come from Ca to our states next. And it needs to be STOPPED as the experimental SOURCE of these unconstitutional laws. Cut the head off the snake...


68 posted on 11/15/2018 10:28:47 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: Simon Green

“the legal equivalent of a machine gun. “

Good luck enforcing this ‘law’. What about woodworking tools and inlaying black. What about a leaf-stock spring? They can be used to make a bump stock. Brrrrr.


69 posted on 11/15/2018 10:38:44 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Simon Green

Never saw the profit in using a bump stock... Particularly since my Tac-Triggers are far more efficient for spray jobs...


70 posted on 11/15/2018 11:17:35 AM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
He is gone

But the stink lives on...

71 posted on 11/15/2018 11:25:16 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Simon Green
So a rubber band wrapped around your beltloop is a full auto weapon. 😆
72 posted on 11/15/2018 11:27:54 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight yourr way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: elcid1970

“Implant a chip so BATFE will always know where it is.”

I won’t touch that comment just in case it’s not alway in front of a trigger! But in a perverse way, you are right. The whole country has lost its sanity. “Illigitima Non Carborundum,” Don’t let the Ba$tards Grind you Down!


73 posted on 11/15/2018 11:35:30 AM PST by vette6387
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To: vette6387

Heck, if that chip is in the forefinger, they’ll assume it tells them how often I’ve pulled a trigger! Even drumming my fingers would be grounds for suspicion.

In `classical’ Latin that saying might go, “Ne illegitimi non te carborundum”. The `ne’ makes it an imperative & the ‘te’ is the object `you’.

Sure glad I’m tucked away in a small gun friendly Southern state. In Kalipornia, Massahola, & other blue states gun owners must feel like it’s the former East Germany where anyone can denounce you and you glance about before speaking.

Seriously, the most pernicious aspect of Red Flag is the elimination of penalties for making a false statement to police; normally punished as severely as perjury, meaning jail time. Now a mere misdemeanor with burden of proof on the hapless gun owner. Meanwhile, the guns are gone.

CA, WA, MD, NY, NJ, CT, & MA are going full blown fascist. As in, stopping & searching cars with Southern license plates, and `inspecting’ private homes for compliant gun storage while searching for scary black rifles.


74 posted on 11/15/2018 12:11:09 PM PST by elcid1970 (My gun safe is saying to me, "Room for one more, honey!")
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To: chiller

1.) There are more firearms than citizens in the US.
2.) We’re not all dead.
1+2=3
3.) It’s not the guns. Not any of them... Not the automatic ones, not the semi-automatic ones, not the flintlocks.

There are exactly 0 US mass shootings this year using a machinegun. (Look it up if you don’t believe me.)
Bump-fire devices are now machineguns...
Simple statistics indicate that bump-fire devices are now SAFER than semi-automatic handguns.

Finally: “Shall not be infringed.”
The DOJ does not have the authority under the Constitution to limit a citizen’s right to keep and bear arms.

They just made bump-fire devices “protected” under the Constitution.

...idiots.


75 posted on 11/15/2018 1:24:34 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: Simon Green

Sorry,
What a Headache.


76 posted on 11/15/2018 1:40:14 PM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: Envisioning

LOL or stiffened index fingers.

Bump stocks are a novelty at best. I’ve played with them. It was fun, I guess. Well-aimed semi-auto shots are more than sufficient to solve most ‘problems’.


77 posted on 11/15/2018 2:34:21 PM PST by SirLurkedalot (10/10/51-7/7/16 RIP Dad, I'll be missing you until I cross over to Eternity)
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To: Simon Green

CORRECTION: New Bump Fire Stock Regulation Not Published Yet in Federal Register or Final

by Dan Zimmerman |

Nov 15, 2018 |

189 comments

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We received the link to the proposed new rule that would regulate bump fire stocks from someone with intimate knowledge of the process earlier today. You can read that rule here. However, we have since been informed that the ATF has not yet published that rule in the federal register. As such it has not yet officially become law.


78 posted on 11/16/2018 1:47:58 PM PST by old-ager
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