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Florida orders first ever statewide hand-recounts as legal fights continue
www.tampabay.com ^ | 11/15/2018 | By David Smiley

Posted on 11/15/2018 2:55:02 PM PST by Red Badger

Following a five-day machine recount of the more than 8.3 million votes cast in the Nov. 6 elections, Secretary of State Ken Detzner ordered hand recounts Thursday afternoon.

An unprecedented statewide hand recount is now under way in the Sunshine State, further extending a high-stakes, partisan battle over every last vote in Florida's crucial U.S. Senate race.

Following a five-day machine recount of the more than 8.3 million votes cast in the Nov. 6 elections, Secretary of State Ken Detzner ordered hand recounts Thursday afternoon in the race between U.S. Sen Bill Nelson and Gov. Rick Scott, and also the race for agriculture commissioner between Nicole "Nikki" Fried and Matt Caldwell.

The order gives canvassing boards in the state's 67 counties three days to pore over thousands of ballots that were rejected by machines because of "overvotes" — a voter appears to have chosen more than one candidate in a race — or "undervotes," in which a voter appears to have skipped a race altogether. With the help of state guidelines, the canvassing boards, which are allowed to enlist the help of volunteers, will try to determine how these voters intended to vote.

It's not entirely clear how many such overvotes and undervotes exist in the U. S. Senate race. A Times/Herald analysis of state and county data shows the number could be between 35,000 and 118,000 But the determination on how those ballots were cast — and the ability of the state's elections supervisors to get through all the ballots — could go a long way toward deciding whether Nelson is reelected or Scott ascends from governor to U.S. Senator.

Thursday's order has been expected for at least a week. Elections supervisors around the state began bracing for automatic recounts in the hours after the polls closed on the midterm elections, as late-breaking returns out of heavily Democratic Broward and Palm Beach counties slimmed leads by Scott, Caldwell and GOP gubernatorial nominee Ron DeSantis.

Florida law requires a machine recount for any race decided by one half of one percentage point or less, and all three races were within the margins when elections supervisors submitted their unofficial results Saturday to the state. As required by law, Detzner quickly gave the state's canvassing boards five days to run their voting totals again in the three races to confirm whether any fell within one quarter of one percentage point, the margin by which Florida law requires a hand recount.

DeSantis' lead held Thursday as the counties reported their tallies, keeping him above the quarter-point threshold and making him Florida's governor-elect barring a legal challenge from Andrew Gillum. But, as expected, the margins in the U.S. Senate and agriculture commissioner races remained under the threshold, requiring hand recounts of overvotes and undervotes.

Now, the canvassing boards and teams of at least two volunteers — with at least one Republican and one Democrat on each team — will pore over thousands of ballots and report back to Detzner. State law requires that the state's canvassing boards conclude that process by Sunday, so that Florida's elections canvassing commission can certify the results of the election by Tuesday.


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To: gas_dr

And in Florida the governor appoints the Secretary of State, who oversees, elections...


41 posted on 11/15/2018 3:55:27 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: SES1066

“Yes there is duplicate but jeeze Mariner, you want to be a Democrat?”

It’s Democrats that insist on violating rules.


42 posted on 11/15/2018 3:55:55 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: MulberryDraw

Nothing wrong with it. The hand recount, in theory at least, is supposed to verify that it really was a voter skipping the race rather than a machine error (e.g. the bubble was filled out but was too light to be picked up by the machine, etc.).
Of course in reality the Dems, as history attests, use this process to count any ballots that will help their candidate and dismiss any that won’t.


43 posted on 11/15/2018 3:59:24 PM PST by mbrfl
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To: politicket

“Can they “fill-in” the Senate race on the “Undervote” ballots if they see that the rest of the ballot was uniformly Democrat or Republican? Is that legal?”

The voter has to make some clear positive indication that they want a guy or gal.

A voter can write “Dem” by Nelson’s name and it must be considered a vote for Nelson.

A voter could write “Commie” by Nelson’s name and it should not be considered a vote for Nelson, but only a condemnation.

A half-filled out circle for Scott would be considered a vote for Scott.

In my polling place in Sarasota County, a lady had her ballot rejected by the machine, probably because she didn’t fill out a circle fully. The poll worker told the voter to examine her ballot to find the problem.

Our Florida machines are made by nationwide selling companies who have worked to make voting reliable.


44 posted on 11/15/2018 4:01:01 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: TexasGurl24
So true.
And these ballots were already counted for the races which were properly filled out .
The Tuesday and Todays count included these ballot votes .
The under and over issues were involving mostly
minor races .
Those races were not counted by the machine because the race decision was screwy like two people were picked .
Most canvassing board already met and decided over these ballots and they are in todays count.
The ballot issues where involving minor races like water board or
Bond board members .
45 posted on 11/15/2018 4:03:04 PM PST by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists out themselves)
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To: Red Badger

Al Gore snickers and continues his hunt for manbearpig.


46 posted on 11/15/2018 4:23:21 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: ConservativeDude

“some of us like double posts of important stories”

JR sets the guidelines on duplicate posts.


47 posted on 11/15/2018 4:39:20 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: gibsonguy

There is no way to determine “intent” on the ballot. But Dems got the benefit here. Over and under votes should not be counted.


48 posted on 11/15/2018 4:40:16 PM PST by jch10 (Democrats, putting party before country for the last 50 years.)
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To: gas_dr
I agree .
Desantis victory has huge implications .
The canvassing board i worked with ignored all under voted races and over voted races .

They already met and cleared the under over ballots .

49 posted on 11/15/2018 4:53:11 PM PST by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists out themselves)
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To: Mariner

You know, as a reader of news, this is my first chance to read about what is going on. Would you please inform me how I search for news I know nothing about? Does your grass need cut? SMH.


50 posted on 11/15/2018 5:06:33 PM PST by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed!)
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To: Red Badger

Listen we's gots all hands on deck up in here. we's is going ta count ta we's can't count nahh mo'!

51 posted on 11/15/2018 5:17:17 PM PST by conservative98
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

what do we know about this dentzer guy? I read he was a recent democrap. for all we know he’s a soros plant but I guess that’s not the case since we’ve had an R gov for quite some time.


52 posted on 11/15/2018 5:29:46 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: Red Badger

The Steal is on...


53 posted on 11/15/2018 5:54:44 PM PST by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1
The Steal is on...
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Detzner was a registered Democrat until 1984 when he changed his registration to Republican. He worked as a lobbyist for the Florida Beer Wholesalers Association. He served as chief of staff to James C. Smith, then the Secretary of State of Florida, from 2002 to 2003. After the 2002 election, re-elected Governor of Florida Jeb Bush appointed Detzner as interim Secretary of State, before Glenda Hood's swearing in.[1]

Detzner is a Bush loyalist looking for revenge against Trump. Jeb wants to destroy the Republican Party so he can come back as it's Savior... rebuild in Bush's immage....of course.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Detzner

54 posted on 11/15/2018 6:01:28 PM PST by sailor76 (Trump is our last hope!)
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To: Red Badger

What a designed cluster****.


55 posted on 11/15/2018 6:31:53 PM PST by Karliner (Jeremiah29:11,Romans8:28 Isa 17, Damascus has fallen)
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To: Waypoint

so its not over?.....


57 posted on 11/15/2018 6:39:14 PM PST by cherry (official troll)
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To: gibsonguy
Yeah we can trust the “volunteers” to guess the intent of messed up ballots.

Deja Vu:


59 posted on 11/15/2018 7:31:11 PM PST by Oatka
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To: gibsonguy
> Is Secretary of State Ken Detzner a Rat?

Unfortunately it seems like there is little difference in most cases...

60 posted on 11/15/2018 8:05:10 PM PST by SecondAmendment (This just proves my latest theory ... LIBERALS RUIN EVERYTHING!)
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