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Attorney petitions Supreme Court to declare Rod Rosenstein acting attorney general
cNN ^ | 11-16-2018 | Jessica Schneider

Posted on 11/16/2018 8:15:01 PM PST by tcrlaf

In a highly unusual move, lawyer Tom Goldstein asked the US Supreme Court on Friday evening to declare Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein as the acting attorney general, instead of Matthew Whitaker who currently holds the job.

Goldstein also represented Maryland's Attorney General in a similar court filing at the district court level earlier this week. Goldstein's motion was filed in connection with a gun rights case that is before the Supreme Court as a petition for a writ of certiorari, meaning the nine Justices will meet in conference at a date still to be determined to decide whether to hear it. The case is Barry Michaels v. Whitaker, which was automatically renamed from Michaels v. Sessions following Whitaker's appointment. Since the attorney general is charged with enforcing all federal law, including the statutes in this gun rights case, the motion argues that the identity of the attorney general is imperative, and the rightful acting attorney general is Rod Rosenstein.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: attorneygeneral; doj; donaldtrump; notsatire; rodrosenstein; rosenstein; scotus; supremecourt; tomgoldstein; trump
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To: Deaf Smith
The Boss makes the choice.

Not exactly.

While I think the Whittaker "acting" appointment is perfectly legal and in order, senior positions that require Senate confirmation do not really conform to "the boss makes the choice".

Andrew Johnson was impeached and almost convicted over an issue like this (he fired a Senate-confirmed cabinet member over the objections of the Senate), so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

If a majority on the Court want Trump removed, it is possible that they will hear this case and rule for Rosenstein.

I am as pro-Trump as anyone here, as you can see from my posting history. But there are lots of serious people, swamp-dwellers for sure, but serious, who would be happy to see him go as long as their fingerprints were not on the murder weapon.

61 posted on 11/17/2018 5:46:16 AM PST by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain)
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To: DoughtyOne
Mitch wants total control. He wants to screw Trump, show him who is boss

He wants to defend the swamp, more than showing Trump who is boss.

I don't mean, defend it for being great, or "make the swamp great again". I'm sure McConnell knows that on some level, the swamp is indefensible.

But it's natural to get your back up when an outsider shows up and announces that he wants to burn the place where you've spent your adult life to the ground.

The "swamp" is how things get done. The Congress is an illusion, the swamp is real.

McConnell probably feels, "yeah the swamp is bad, but it's OUR swamp", or something like that.

62 posted on 11/17/2018 5:50:44 AM PST by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain)
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To: tcrlaf

The founding fathers were smart in separating the branches.


63 posted on 11/17/2018 5:53:32 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know. how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: DoughtyOne
Unless I’m missing something, I wish Whitaker would get the nomination.

An Acting officer, under the law used to appoint Whittaker, is not eligible for a permanent appointment while serving.

He would have to resign, and be appointed after his resignation took effect.

This is why Montana and WV were so damn important - and don't forget, we still have to win Mississippi.

If Trump thinks he can use the letter of the law (resign, then appoint) to defy the spirit of the law (no Acting officials converted to permanent) - I think a 53-47 or 52-48 Senate is going to have a problem with that.

64 posted on 11/17/2018 5:54:54 AM PST by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain)
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To: xzins
Doesn’t seem constitutional to me that the president would be required to appoint a deputy Attorney General who had...

That's not the issue.

The law that creates and funds the Department of Justice stipulates rules for vacancies.

It is possible - just barely - that this law requires the most senior Senate-confirmed official at DOJ (Rosenstein) to act as AG until Trump nominates, and the Senate confirms, a replacement.

The Court would not force Trump to appoint Rosenstein. The Court MIGHT declare that, under the law, Rosenstein is AUTOMATICALLY Acting AG.

65 posted on 11/17/2018 6:00:48 AM PST by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain)
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To: cableguymn

Yep, this is going to be a really important ruling. You have Fed Vac Act on one hand saying the Pres can do this and yet, you have the constitution. One will be voted to not be legal for AG appointment.

What ever happened with Dens and Repubs meeting with Rosenstein that got cancelled. No reschedule of that. Odd. Makes you wonder what the hell happened that it wasn’t rescheduled.


66 posted on 11/17/2018 6:40:56 AM PST by Engedi
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To: Jim Noble

In which case it is, in my opinion, unconstitutional for article 2 separation of powers reasons, unless there were some incapacity of the president.


67 posted on 11/17/2018 6:43:15 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Just a quick question, would the Constitution
Article II of the Constitution says the president may nominate principal officers “with the advice and consent of the Senate.” The Federal Vacancies Reform Act does allow for a 210-day window for a non-Senate confirmed selection to serve as an “acting officer,” however, would the Article II of the Constitution “trump” that vacancy law.?


68 posted on 11/17/2018 6:54:49 AM PST by Engedi
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To: Jim Noble

But would Article II of the Constitution “trump” the Fed Vac Act? Both are Federal laws but is either higher then the other?


69 posted on 11/17/2018 7:00:32 AM PST by Engedi
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To: tcrlaf

What? Next you’ll be telling me the courts can determine who gets press passes.


70 posted on 11/17/2018 7:09:04 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Every time a lefty cries "racism", a Trump voter gets his wings.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Thanks for that. ...I thought it was the START of the next session, but your posting indicates it’s the END, instead.


71 posted on 11/17/2018 10:33:12 PM PST by octex
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To: octex

That gives the Senate their whole session to confirm a replacement, and if they end the session without a confirmation, then the President gets to make another recess appointment.


72 posted on 11/18/2018 12:50:04 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: mrsmith

Again, there has not been a recess since 2010 which means there has not been a recess in the last two years, so what makes you think there will be one at the end of the current session? Evidence suggests otherwise. Yes, there are some bills that need to pass to keep the govt open, but what does that have to do with a recess?


73 posted on 11/18/2018 11:45:34 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Dave W
Because the 115th Congress is over. There is a window of about a week between when the 115th Congress ends and the 116th Congress begins.

It's not like they can adjourn the 115th Congress on 11:59pm on December 31 and convene the 116th on 12:01am an January 1.

-PJ

74 posted on 11/19/2018 12:47:11 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Dave W
The 113th Congress adjourned sine die on January 2, 2015. The 114th Congress convened on January 6, 2015.

The 114th Congress adjourned sine die on January 3, 2017. The 115th Congress convened on January 3, 2017 one hour later. Obama was still President until January 20.

The 115th Congress is targeted to adjourn on December 14, 2018. Of course, this may change.

-PJ

75 posted on 11/19/2018 1:28:13 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Perhaps, but I just read yesterday that McConnell wants to keep the Senate in session to move more judges.

I guess I'm perplexed why people think it will be different this year. The senate led by republicans have not officially adjourned because the republicans have stated on the record they do not want Trump to make recess appointments.

So, forget the House having to give permission, if the Senate has not officially recessed, not even one time to prevent Trump from making recess appointments, why would they now recess before the next Congress?

76 posted on 11/19/2018 8:26:18 AM PST by Dave W
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To: Dave W
I'm just going by the calendar they posted at the beginning of the session.

It's interesting that the 114th Congress adjourned an hour before the 115th Congress convened by scheduling a "special legislative session" for the first week of January 2016, while Obama was still President for two more weeks. Prior Congresses had at least a week between the close of one and the start of another.

-PJ

77 posted on 11/19/2018 8:40:04 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
That was to prevent Obama from making any recess appointments and the Senate this year will do the same. However, the week between the close of one and the start of another can be considered not recessed.

The republicans would do a pro forma session about every three days and as long as a week, which historically, the tradition dictated that the Senate was not in recess. Obama made recess appointments anyway between these pro forma Senate sessions. The republicans in Congress sued and won a SC case a few years ago that stated pro forma sessions are indeed official sessions and having a reasonable number of days between sessions does not constitute a recess.

78 posted on 11/19/2018 10:48:32 AM PST by Dave W
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To: Dave W
The Obama recess appointments were not during sessions breaks, and not between Congresses after a mid-term election. That's why his appointments were overriden by SCOTUS.

Republicans will have to work to keep Congress in session after the new year, perhaps at the cost of any goodwill they've earned with confirmations.

-PJ

79 posted on 11/19/2018 12:03:21 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Dave W

They have to be insession to pass the bills. That has to be done before they can adjourn (or the Gov shuts partially down- maybe they’ll do that but I don’t see it).

Trump has a lot of vacant admin positions to fill, I assume he’d be folling those- not judgeships. So it’s not as big a deal to the Dems.

It’s my opinion that if Mitch doesn’t manage to get a recess for Trump to fill the admin positions he’s being duplicitous.


80 posted on 11/20/2018 11:32:11 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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