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Camille Paglia: ‘Hillary wants Trump to win again’ [2020, Trump and Jordan Peterson]
Spectator USA ^ | 4 December 2018 | Camille Paglia

Posted on 12/04/2018 11:57:26 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o

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To: A strike

i think she is loyal to a phantom Democratic party that hasn’t existed in some time, if ever. probably a classic liberal, not a Dem.


61 posted on 12/04/2018 2:46:04 PM PST by avital2
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To: Mrs. Don-o

CP bookmark


62 posted on 12/04/2018 3:48:01 PM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Tax-chick
I had high hopes for Kamala Harris ...

Why? What has Kamala Harris accomplished thus far that would cause Ms. Paglia to believe her last few years of life would be enriched (literally or figuratively) by a Kamala Harris Presidency?

She voted for Bernie. She thought Kamala might be a better, younger Bernie.

I suspect you're looking for too much in her statement. If you hear about somebody from your party who manages to get elected someplace and people are talking him or her up, you might have high hopes ... until you learn more about the politician in question. That's a pretty common experience.

63 posted on 12/04/2018 3:54:27 PM PST by x
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To: x

I enjoy reading her commentary but she is truly intellectually inconsistent!


64 posted on 12/04/2018 3:56:30 PM PST by Reily
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To: DoodleBob

2 without a doubt in my mind.


65 posted on 12/04/2018 3:58:05 PM PST by marygam (Trump is Making America Great Again!)
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To: IrishBrigade
"You had no choices to make about your physical, mental, or emotional characteristics, your talents, your temperament, your genetic, environmental, or social endowments, neither your nature nor your nurture, nor even your inclinations or preferences."

That the categories I mentioned above are your endowments rather than your accomplishments, cannot be disputed.

That is not to say that you have no choices, or that your choices have not shaped --- as well as proceeded from--- who you "are." Everything we think, intend, say, and do, is both gift and task. But first, and enduringly, it's gift. And to be "task," you have to know what these gifts of yours are good for. (As in "good scissors.") How do you know you're a good man if you don't know what you're for? Anyone can just follow that they think will be self-fulfilling. Anybody can be Harvey Weinstein. Paradoxically, a world full of self-actualizing individuals, defining "good" and "evil" for themselves, and fulfilling themselves under the assumption they owe no "subservience" to anybody because they are "freeborn," would be unlivable..

66 posted on 12/04/2018 4:09:13 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein)
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To: IrishBrigade
I said to my husband, "Give me a coupla minutes to finish this up and then I'll make you a reuben sandwich."

Then I thought, "I can not make YOU a reuben sandwich and YOU can't give ME a coupla minutes." That's the way it goes,for contingent beings like ourselves...

  1. Yes, yes, you parents begat you. God bless them for it. They have endowed you with the whole panoply of what you may wish to call your "personality," for which you can never adequately repay them, thus being indebted to them for your whole life. The Confucists, as I understand it, consider this filial piety the root of all consciousness, all ethics and all society.

  2. They, your parents, are similarly and immeasurably indebted to all their ancestors through the whole chain of however-many, 100,000 (?) generations.

  3. You cannot know if a thing is "good" unless you know what is is for.

    Is this a good pair of scissors? It's very poor for hammering in quarter-rounds. Useless for opening tuna cans. No good for pillowing your head while falling asleep. No good as a writing instrument. No good as a spouse. No good as a god. But it will cut paper and cloth: yes, it's a good pair of scissors.

    Are you a good man?

  4. So you live your life as fully as possible? "Fully" is a term which also has no particular referent. What if you were a hermit? Would that be less than what you are now? Or more? What if you were a concert pianist? A sex-tourist? A cartoonist? A pit-bull enthusiast? A paraplegic? A pimp? A discalced Carmelite? Doesn't any of these choices largely exclude almost all the others? Or totally exclude 100,000 others? What can you possibly mean by a "full" life? Are you a good bonobo? Are you a good scissors? Are you a good man?

    None of this is really answerable, I think, unless you know what a man is for.

  5. Epistomology and existentialism? That's what we're doing.

I already wasted a lot of time with Nietzsche and Sartre> They're about as good for my journey as Pauline Reage.

67 posted on 12/04/2018 4:10:51 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein)
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To: IrishBrigade
I got mixed up between the pastrami ad the swiss. I might have sent the last two posts in the wrong order.

If you switch them around they might make more sense "o)

68 posted on 12/04/2018 4:13:46 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I have enormous respect for Camille. She needs to be read and listened to, widely. Her wit is sharp and she nails the “new left” brilliantly. She loves Peterson because she enjoys bright people with depth, no matter their ideology - it’s the exchange of thoughts and humor and differing ideas that challenge and interest her.

As a country we need more of her, fewer of Hillary. I had several friends like her- and they were real friends- years back. We’d argue and debate and then go out to dinner. Life was larger then, and much larger than politics. We’ve become very small and limited and insular.


69 posted on 12/04/2018 4:17:30 PM PST by SE Mom (Screaming Eagle mom)
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To: x

I guess you’re right. It could mean more like, “I hoped she might be a real presidential contender,” as opposed to, “I had reason to believe she might accomplish something specific that I care about.”


70 posted on 12/04/2018 4:19:54 PM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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To: IrishBrigade; Tax-chick
"...what you have described here is most emphatically not subservience, enforced by physical or mental threats......yes, we owe those who have mentored and guided us our allegiance and loyalties..."

This makes me think that we've been arguing about different things without making the necessary distinctions.

I have been regarding "subservience" and "humility" in this discussion, anyhow, in a filial sense. Which is to say, a way that is conformed to reality. "Humility" in this context is practically a synonym for "realism." We did not make ourselves, we are contingent beings and therefore indebted beings, we live "referred lives", which is to say, lives that refer, inescapably, to others; and we are born into a society and a world we did not make.

We are not born "free". We are born into a predicament.

Your kids will say, as you yourself said, or at least thought, as a kid: "Why do I have to live in this world I did not make?" "What do you expect *me* to do?" That's the predicament.

71 posted on 12/04/2018 4:29:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Cory Booker has all the gravitas of a cork...corks of the world take umbrage at the comparison....
72 posted on 12/04/2018 4:36:48 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Mrs. Don-o; IrishBrigade
We are not born "free". We are born into a predicament.

I agree with that. However, I also think that the most common experience of human beings over time is "subservience, enforced by physical or mental threats." To conclude from this that humans are "born free" in any sense is far from obvious.

73 posted on 12/04/2018 5:01:10 PM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Great. Glittering Images is at my local library in Georgia. I’ll check it out tomorrow. Thanks.


74 posted on 12/04/2018 5:03:57 PM PST by poconopundit
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To: Tax-chick
I do think that a good, just society would be characterized by a pervasive sense of graceful obligation: the sense that we are, and possess, and are surrounded by, multiplex gifts, which we experience before our infant hearts can conceive from whom they come, or why.

A society pervaded by this "filiality" would be just and good, but it is a justice never perfectly expressed on this earth. We live with, at best, some approximation of this justice. We enact, at best, some approximation of it. We desire it.

Hungering and thirsting for justice is as good as it gets in this life. Those who hunger and thirst are called "blessed."

75 posted on 12/04/2018 5:16:32 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Those who hunger and thirst are called "blessed." For they shall be satisfied.

During Pat's school meeting, I was translating next Sunday's lectionary; it helps me with my grammar and vocabulary, as well as focusing the mind. In the first reading from Baruch, it says (my translation), "God will give you a name forever: 'Peace in justice and glory in reverence'."

76 posted on 12/04/2018 5:22:55 PM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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To: Tax-chick

Just beautiful.


77 posted on 12/04/2018 5:27:14 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Kommodor
Coulter is entertaining — and she knows that's her main strength. She's a polemicist, not an intellectual. A master of mass media — but, not one to trust with political power.
78 posted on 12/04/2018 6:05:42 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (.)
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To: A strike

“But it is extremely mystifying that with her towering intellect she continues to adhere to the intellectually bankrupt Democrat lie.”

That is attributable to her same-sex attraction disorder.


79 posted on 12/04/2018 9:39:49 PM PST by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: June2

Bkmk


80 posted on 12/05/2018 12:05:49 AM PST by June2
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