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If 3-10 round mags are just as good as 2-15 round mags, why is the an exception for LEO? And does the 14th Amendment PROHIBIT different treatment of different people?
1 posted on 12/07/2018 7:17:49 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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2 posted on 12/07/2018 7:18:17 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Twitter is Trump's laser pointer and the DemocRats are all cats.)
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I guess 30’s and 40’s are okay.


3 posted on 12/07/2018 7:19:19 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Ok, so lets limit books to 10 pages.


4 posted on 12/07/2018 7:19:21 AM PST by taxcontrol
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“The law makes an exemption for active-duty members of the military and police and retired law enforcement officers”

Ah. Got it. The Sikh Freak Grewal thinks some pigs are more equal then others.


5 posted on 12/07/2018 7:21:24 AM PST by Regulator
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Sex change ok, must be paid for by the government and they must be allowed to use whatever restrooms they want but you cant have 15 round mags because we’re concerned about the culture.

Idiots.


6 posted on 12/07/2018 7:23:53 AM PST by Skywise
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“... three 10-round magazines are just as good as two 15-rounders.”

So, next year it’ll be...thirty 1-round mags will be “just as good as” three 10-round mags.


7 posted on 12/07/2018 7:24:24 AM PST by moovova
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The courts once again making it clear that the Constitution is meaningless.


8 posted on 12/07/2018 7:25:18 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"They said that a magazine-capacity limit does not present a burden to self-defense."

If that were true then there would be no reason for LEOs or the military to have magazines larger than 10 rounds. More importantly, if a ten round magazine isn't a burden for a defender, then it isn't a burden for an attacker either. So how does it help prevent mass shootings then?

Are the judges foolish enough to think that an attacker would be "burdened" but a defender wouldn't?

10 posted on 12/07/2018 7:28:24 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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"...NJ AG Gurbir Grewal..."


It must be tough for decent gun owners living in that utter leftwinger state.

11 posted on 12/07/2018 7:30:27 AM PST by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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If they are just as good then why can’t you just have a 30 round mag instead of 3 ten rounders? Up is down, down is up, inside out.


13 posted on 12/07/2018 7:35:04 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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They said that a magazine-capacity limit does not present a burden to self-defense.
Only lawyers-turned-judges with very limited real-world experience could make such a ill-informed statement and impose their view on the subjects of NJ.

…they must…destroy…any magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds.
How illogical and dishonest, such destruction is indeed a “surrender”.

…retired law enforcement officers have training and experience that makes them different from ordinary citizens…
Such a classification fails because it is based on a false assumption. Even if true, however, it improperly supposes the subjects of NJ (“ordinary citizens”) either do not have such qualifications or are incapable of acquiring such qualifications.

Coming to a neighborhood near you?

15 posted on 12/07/2018 7:42:08 AM PST by frog in a pot (Result of many state bailouts? Taxpayers elsewhere in America get to finance the Left's growth.)
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A federal appeals court upheld New Jersey’s magazine-capacity-limit laws, arguing 2-1 that three 10-round magazines are just as good as two 15-rounders. They said that a magazine-capacity limit does not present a burden to self-defense.

If three 10-round magazines are just as good as two 15-rounders, then why ban 15 rounders?

17 posted on 12/07/2018 7:53:21 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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because retired law enforcement officers have training and experience that makes them different from ordinary citizens

They are different and need extra rounds because they can never hit their target?

18 posted on 12/07/2018 7:53:33 AM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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I live in NJ...

So what am I supposed to do with all of my Beretta 92 mags that hold 15 rounds?

I don't think Beretta makes a modification nor do they sell 10 round mags for this gun.

Can I legally still go to my range with my 15 round mags loaded with only 10 rounds...?

Probably not.

19 posted on 12/07/2018 7:58:06 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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Everyone should just claim to be a retired police officer.
Just like men claiming to be women; women claiming to be men; whites claiming to be black; political oligarchs claiming to be indigenous Americans - Proven science.


21 posted on 12/07/2018 8:05:02 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Strangest civil war in history, only one side is shooting.)
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“Finally, because retired law enforcement officers have training and experience that makes them different from ordinary citizens, the law’s exemption that permits them to possess magazines that can hold more than ten rounds does not violate the Fourteenth Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause,” the court argued.


1. So I gather that the 3rd Circuit thinks that “Equal Protection” thing in the 14th Amendment doesn’t really matter all that much.

2. I might have missed something, during all 1,000+ times that I read the 2nd Amendment, but I’m pretty sure that there is no “training and experience” requirement that modifies the “shall not be infringed” clause in the 2nd.

“This decision is plainly wrong and upholds New Jersey’s unconstitutional law turning one million honest citizens into felons for keeping property obtained legally that could be used for defending their lives,” said New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs’ executive director Scott Bach. “The decision will be further appealed.”


I left NJ 18 years ago this month. The furniture, books, etc. went with the movers, but my guns, ammo, etc. went with my wife and I (we’d been married for about 18 months at that point, and she didn’t know much about guns other than that I had them). As we passed the “Welcome to Delaware” sign on the Delaware Memorial Bridge, I turned to my wife and said, “Now that we’re over the state line, you don’t have to worry about bailing me out of prison.” Her jaw dropped, and she asked me why. I explained the NJ law against magazines that were “too big.” She then asked me how many I had. I told her, “Well, about 18 inches behind my ass is roughly 200 years worth in Rahway State Prison.” She turned white as a sheet and didn’t say anything for about 30 seconds (which, I promise you, is very uncharacteristic of her). She then asked if there were laws like that in Texas, to which I replied, “No, Texas is in America.” I didn’t even mention the roughly 1,000 rounds of hollow point ammo that was also in the back of the vehicle...I’m pretty sure that she’d have stroked out on me if I had told her that those were worth a nice couple thousand years in the Graybar Hotel. :>)

FYI, I went there a couple summers back for a family reunion, to visit a few friends and tour NYC with the wife and kids. I brought along a Smith J-frame, as it was legal in every state along the way except Maryland and NJ. I unloaded it and buried it and the ammo under a bunch of suitcases while in those states, but I’m very well aware that I broke NJ law by bringing in a handgun and the ammo...and I simply didn’t (and don’t) give a damn. They’d have also had to violate the 4th Amendment to get to the gun and ammo, and I’d have had a nice lawsuit for deprivation of rights under color of law (but, make no mistake, I was happier to just be left alone).

Sad to hear that NJ is becoming an even worse shithole than when I left. It seems like the only worthwhile thing there is the orchards and the roadside farm stands.


24 posted on 12/07/2018 8:12:28 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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They should have known they would need to appeal this and I believe they do.

We need a court decision from SCOTUS
or a Federal Law blocking the states and local jurisdictions from incrementally killing the Second Amendment by a bridging it continually like this.


26 posted on 12/07/2018 8:18:24 AM PST by ZULU (Jeff Sessions should be tried for sedition.)
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Ex Post Facto “Law”.

Not allowed in the United States of America.


28 posted on 12/07/2018 8:23:18 AM PST by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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“and they must modify, destroy or register any magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds.”

They can’t be taken anywhere to be modified or even turned in, the new law made transporting them illegal, and that was effective immediately, not Dec. 10th. So unless you destroy them at home you’re stuck with them. And the registration exemption only applies to guns with magazines that can’t be modified or replaced with 10 round magazines, very few guns fit that category.


29 posted on 12/07/2018 8:23:20 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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How about 15 one round mags?/s


32 posted on 12/07/2018 8:42:43 AM PST by dynachrome (When an empire dies, you are left with vast monuments in front of which peasants squat to defecate)
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